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 Tachinidae, Hungary 9 > Tricogena rubricosa Rhinophoridae
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| pwalter |
Posted on 19-03-2009 22:15
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 Member Location: Miskolc, Hungary Posts: 3555 Joined: 06.11.08 |
A Tachinid? from E-Hungary, June. Female?
pwalter attached the following image:  [171.47Kb] Edited by pwalter on 22-03-2009 22:40 |
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| neprisikiski |
Posted on 19-03-2009 22:17
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Member Location: Lithuania Posts: 876 Joined: 23.02.09 |
Tricogena rubricosa, Rhinophoridae
Edited by neprisikiski on 19-03-2009 22:24 |
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| pwalter |
Posted on 19-03-2009 22:38
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Member Location: Miskolc, Hungary Posts: 3555 Joined: 06.11.08 |
neprisikiskiakopustlapiaudamas wrote: Tricogena rubricosa, Rhinophoridae Thank You a lot! This is the most light-coloured Rhinophorid I've seen. |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 21-03-2009 20:34
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19143 Joined: 21.07.04 |
This is the most Tachinidae like Rhinophoridae, in my opinion. Mistake is made often. Theo |
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| pwalter |
Posted on 21-03-2009 23:21
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Member Location: Miskolc, Hungary Posts: 3555 Joined: 06.11.08 |
Zeegers wrote: This is the most Tachinidae like Rhinophoridae, in my opinion. Mistake is made often. Theo Are the two families generally regarded monophiletic? (I mean the 2 families together and also: is each monophiletic by it's own?) |
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| neprisikiski |
Posted on 21-03-2009 23:58
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Member Location: Lithuania Posts: 876 Joined: 23.02.09 |
The Tachinidae are treated as monophyletic group, while Rhinophoridae are closely related to Calliphoridae and treated in the last family by some authors
Edited by neprisikiski on 22-03-2009 00:00 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 22-03-2009 09:38
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19143 Joined: 21.07.04 |
The opinions on Rhinophoridae still differ between authors, bvased on the larval features, the monophyly of the Rhinophoridae is not obvious. Note that Rhinophoridae is here used in the smaller sense: Genera like Melanomyia and Anthracomyia are rightly transferred from Rhinophoridae to Calliphoridae in the last 20-30 years. The monophyly of the Tachinidae is undisputed, as far as I'm aware of. |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 22-03-2009 19:01
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 Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7703 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Have there been any good DNA analyses to ascertain relatedness of the various calyptrate groups and the tachinids in particular? |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 22-03-2009 20:32
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19143 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I'm not sure. Thomas Pape has been working on phylogeny of Calyptratae, so google him. Theo |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 22-03-2009 21:05
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Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7703 Joined: 12.07.04 |
OK, I will get in touch with him.  I just remember a conversation with Robert Belshaw many years ago had back then he had spoken with someone who was doing DNA analysis and their initial findings had suggested that the Calyptrates were a really horrific muddle to unpick and that the Tachinidae looked to be polyphyletic ... but I hasten to add that this was all word of mouth and Robert never went through with his idea to DNA-analyze the group. |
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