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 Hippoboscidae on dead deer..
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 24-01-2009 16:07
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 Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
At first...it is nice to see, the site is working again!! (al good things, are coming slowly..  )I found today on a dead deer this Hippoboscidae (4 species) (24-01-2008 Dwarsgracht, Netherlands) Maybe a species possible ..? (is it possible that the flies are common on a deer, or are they fall of a birth, thats eaten from the deer..?) Greatings Joke javanerkelens attached the following image:  [158.41Kb] Edited by javanerkelens on 24-01-2009 16:08 |
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| pierred |
Posted on 24-01-2009 17:01
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 Member Location: Paris (France) Posts: 1484 Joined: 21.04.05 |
Hello, Lipoptena cervi seems me clear, with the transverse zones on the abdomen, bearing seta oriented backwards. Pierre Duhem |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 24-01-2009 17:46
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
I did look at the gallery, but I didn't recognize the transverse zones on the abdomen at the other L.cervi. But it is nice to know the species now....so thanks !!! Joke van Erkelens |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 24-01-2009 18:51
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19299 Joined: 21.07.04 |
The tranverse zones are not typical, any pregnant Hippoboscid will show these. The absence of wings is typical. So I agree with Lipoptena cervi. Theo |
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| pwalter |
Posted on 24-01-2009 19:25
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 Member Location: Miskolc, Hungary Posts: 3555 Joined: 06.11.08 |
Are there little remnants of the wings? I think I see those. I know that wings fall of, but don't know if the whole does so, or usually a little part remains. I only have a winged specimen, that was trying to feed on my dog in a forest. BTW, these flies can get so annyoning. Dozens of them tried to land on my head, especially my ears! I head to put my headphones in my ears so I could keep on photographing... |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 24-01-2009 19:48
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Dozens of them tried to land on my head, especially my ears! I head to put my headphones in my ears so I could keep on photographing... .......Brrrrrrrr I read also that L.cervi in particular lives on deers, and that the wings break along a special line on the wing. And Theo told that the transverse zones only are visible when they are pregnant.......than I go catch one tomorrow to examen for larve's (and I hope it wil die, with Ether/aceton...mosly the louse on flies live still after several days) Joke van Erkelens |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 24-01-2009 21:29
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9555 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Joke, you are winning my heart with all this flies from carrion! Come back to this deer, end of Jan is a good time. May be Centrophlebomyia furcata is not yet completely extinct from the Netherlands! Edited by Nikita Vikhrev on 24-01-2009 21:34 |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 24-01-2009 22:41
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Joke, you are winning my heart with all this flies from carrion! Come back to this deer, end of Jan is a good time. May be Centrophlebomyia furcata is not yet completely extinct from the Netherlands! I'm blushing... And I'm also very excited about the deer (he lies about 40m from my house) and only 5 days dead, so I wil hope to see many flies and other insects.......and maybe a Centrophlebomyia fuscata..  Joke van Erkelens |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 25-01-2009 11:32
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19299 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Indeed, you can see remnants of the wing. The wing break, as described, near the base. The fly deliberately breaks its wing when it has found its correct host. Theo |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 25-01-2009 13:04
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9555 Joined: 24.05.05 |
In Russia L.cervi is common species (at least one August out of three) and one can easily observe process of wing breaking on his/her own body!
Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 25-01-2009 15:09
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19299 Joined: 21.07.04 |
In Russia, check for L. fortisetosa, which flies earlier in the year (June - August, so some overlap in August with cervi). Here in West Europe, there is only 1 species. Theo |
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| pierred |
Posted on 25-01-2009 19:04
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Member Location: Paris (France) Posts: 1484 Joined: 21.04.05 |
Thoe, Zeegers wrote: The tranverse zones are not typical, any pregnant Hippoboscid will show these. Thanks for the correction. I was quoting the Faune de France by Falcoz (1926). Pierre Duhem |
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| Juergen Peters |
Posted on 25-01-2009 19:28
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 Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14411 Joined: 11.09.04 |
Hello, Theo! Zeegers wrote: Here in West Europe, there is only 1 species. Are you sure? In the german checklist there is also L. fortisetosa, and three or four years ago I wondered about some deer flies which landed on me in mid June, when I was in an area with many roes (northwest Germany). They looked exactly like the well known L. cervi which normally fly from late September to November here. At that time I did not know about fortisetosa. Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= |
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