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 ID Asilinae just using male genitalia
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 16-11-2008 22:32
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 Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1799 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Any chance this specimen can be identified just by it's genitalia? The specimen is generally in poor condition and not worth posting a full photo. From lowland central France (la Brenne), damp woodland, 2 June 2008, total body length 14mm. Susan R Walter attached the following image:  [63.62Kb] Susan |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 16-11-2008 22:34
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Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1799 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Looking down on the upturned genitals.
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 16-11-2008 22:35
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Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1799 Joined: 14.01.06 |
A sort of posterior ventro-lateral view.
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 16-11-2008 22:35
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Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1799 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Ventral view.
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| Dysmachus |
Posted on 23-11-2008 19:10
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 Member Location: Germany Posts: 321 Joined: 15.03.06 |
It seems to be the male genitalia of a Neoitamus species. For a species identification you have to dissect the internal structures. |
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| Andre |
Posted on 23-11-2008 20:19
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 Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
Give it a try and post a picture of the whole specimen, as well as one from the head only, taken from the side. Don't feel embarrassed by it  |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 23-11-2008 21:23
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Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1799 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Thanks Dysmachus. Neoitamus was my guess too, so that's good. André – OK, but I'm not sure how much further it gets us. You can see the sharply bent forward hairs on the back of the head though. It has a very red beard, but that doesn't seem to be diagnostic of anything in particular. You can also see the leg colour quite well. The specimen was collected on a hot but squally day, and was wet. I didn't get a chance to dry him out properly, so the result is he has grown a rather woolly coat of mould. Would an alcohol bath help do you think? Susan R Walter attached the following image:  [82.67Kb] Susan |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 23-11-2008 21:24
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Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1799 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Head shot.
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