Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Muscidae, Trichops cf cunctans
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| JariF |
Posted on 03-11-2008 20:08
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 Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06 |
Hi, several of these were sitting on the leaves on July 31. 2008 in Loviisa, Southern Finland. Is the genus id possible ? Jari JariF attached the following image:  [122.68Kb] Edited by JariF on 04-11-2008 19:20 |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 03-11-2008 21:56
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Hi Jari, this is a male Thricops, Muscidae. It's a pity the leg 3 (and 2) are not well in focus, because it looks like T. cunctans, but I can't see if I'm right. Stephane. |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 03-11-2008 22:24
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 Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Oh... What a nice surprise.... I wil look though my Antho. for a hidden Thricops...! Greatings Joke |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 03-11-2008 23:21
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Stephane, T.cunctans hasn't full row of av on f3 (only in apical half and shorter) - 98% it is Thricops innocuus Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 03-11-2008 23:46
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
T. innocuus was my other choice, but I finally rejected this species because mid tibia should have an ad, and t3 should have only 1 strong pd (I can see 2 here). About av on f3, I read on gregor et. al. that T. cunctans does have a complete row of av. That's also why I did want to see if the spur is present on t3. 
Edited by Stephane Lebrun on 03-11-2008 23:51 Stephane. |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 04-11-2008 00:18
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9480 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Really, Gregor write that f3 with full row of av on f3. May be, but in this case these av only very short in basal 2/3. T2 ad may be invisible, t3 spur has to be very clearly visible even out of focus, but enterly invisible in our case. So, I'm still 98, ok 95% sure in T.innocuus Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| JariF |
Posted on 04-11-2008 05:59
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06 |
Hi, thank You so much for Your attention. Here is one more picture of T2 and T3. Jari JariF attached the following image:  [96.59Kb] |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 04-11-2008 19:05
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
I would certainly not be considered as a pig-headed boy , but the two strong pd on t3 are a key character to rule out T. innocuus.  Maybe a little stubborn even so... 
Stephane. |
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| JariF |
Posted on 04-11-2008 19:19
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Member Location: Helsinki, Finland Posts: 2072 Joined: 20.01.06 |
Hi, maybe it's cunctans anyway. T.innocuus has been found these days only from northerns parts of Finland and cunctans seems to fly in whole country. Jari |
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