Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Anthomyiidae (ID Stephane Lebrun)
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 24-08-2008 10:27
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 Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Found Netherlands (Giethoorn) on 1 August in wild grassland. Sice about 6mm Its seems to be a Anthomyiidae (analvein is reaching wing margin) But whit a very orange vitta and gena... Is it a Antho. ?? (looks to me as a Coenosia..  )Greatings Joke javanerkelens attached the following image:  [70.63Kb] Edited by javanerkelens on 24-08-2008 11:42 |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 24-08-2008 10:28
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
a second photo
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 24-08-2008 11:09
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Anthomyiidae. 
Stephane. |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 24-08-2008 11:40
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Thanks ! Nice to know it is a Antho. I don't daring to ask for a genus, mayby in the future.... Greatings Joke |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 30-12-2008 20:12
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Dear Stephane, Maybe I'm a little pigheaded, but can you confince me....why it is a Anthomyiidae! I can't let loose the idea that it is a Coenosia .... Joke |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 30-12-2008 20:23
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
javanerkelens wrote: Thanks ! Nice to know it is a Antho. I don't daring to ask for a genus, mayby in the future.... Greatings Joke easy. in the first pic is very clear that the anal vein reaches the wing margin.  |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 30-12-2008 20:48
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
easy. in the first pic is very clear that the anal vein reaches the wing margin. Oke...almost confinced....but can we say than, that when the anal vein is reaching the wing marging.....it is never a Muscidae....? Because, I thougt that I have seen some Muscidae whit the anal vein reaching the wing margin, but maybe....again...I need new glasses.  Joke ( why I thougt is was a Coenosia: shiny black proboscis one orbital setae setae on hind tibia) Edited by javanerkelens on 30-12-2008 20:53 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 30-12-2008 21:05
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Coenosia never has anal vein reaching wing margin. afaik I know that there are just a very few species on Anthoymiidae where anal vein doesn't reach wing margin. Well, I only know one species like that
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 30-12-2008 21:06 |
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 30-12-2008 21:24
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Thanks Jorge....I'm confinced ! Joke  |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 30-12-2008 21:29
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Hi Joke, this is not a Coenosia because Coenosia have only 1 presutural dc, or if 2 presut dc present (subgenus Dexiopsis) the anterior one doesn't exceed one third of the posterior one. Furthermore, members of the Coenosiini tribe always have 3 katepisternal setae arranged in inverted (almost) equilateral triangle. So not even a Conosiini. I hope I've convinced you... Stephane. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 30-12-2008 21:38
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I think it is enough to see anal vein in this case. Anthomyiidae. Hence never a muscid-. (well, there are special exceptions) |
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| Michael Ackland |
Posted on 31-12-2008 16:23
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Member Location: Dorset UK Posts: 680 Joined: 23.02.08 |
Anthomyiidae, probably female Pegomya in the hyoscyami group. See annotated photo
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| javanerkelens |
Posted on 31-12-2008 18:30
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Member Location: Netherlands Posts: 2962 Joined: 18.10.07 |
Anthomyiidae, probably female Pegomya in the hyoscyami group. See annotated photo Thanks, also for explaining where to look for the setulae under the costal vein !! Til now, I was not sure, so I wil study my Antho's again....nice!!! Joke |
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