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 Sarcophaga jeanleclercqi ?
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 04-05-2008 15:58
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Could this aedeagus belong to Sarcophaga (Sarcophaga) jeanleclercqi ? Or simply a S. variegata (or something else) ? Taken at Le Havre , North of France, May 3, 2008 on meadow near a little wood. Size : 10 mm. Thanks in advance. Stephane Lebrun attached the following image:  [87.47Kb] Stephane. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 04-05-2008 16:49
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
did you use a loup? Which do you have?  |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 04-05-2008 16:58
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Just my Coolpix 4500 ! I know they are not Tony's pictures but I only hope it will be sufficient to recognize the species...
Stephane. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 04-05-2008 17:04
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
with coolpix 4500 only?  that's magic! |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 04-05-2008 17:08
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I dare to say that this aedegus remember to me in some way the inner human hear! |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 06-05-2008 22:08
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
I add the whole fly picture.
Stephane Lebrun attached the following image:  [72.59Kb] Stephane. |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 09-05-2008 08:33
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
This might be S. (S.) jeanleclercqi indeed. Pape (on internet "Phylogenetic analysis of Sarcophaga (sensu stricto)"  gives drawings of most species of Sarcophaga sensu stricto that are known from France. His drawing of jeanleclercqi matches more ore less with these images of the genitalia. He does not give genitalia of zumptiana, but these are clearly different from jeanleclercqi and variegata.The images do not match with drawing of Pape of S. (S.) variegata, but other authors (like Povolny & Verves) give drawings that are less precise, suggesting a less restricted concept of variegata. Pape says about Sarcophaga s.s. that "this is possibly a species-swarm in the midst of active speciation" and announces a publication with additional species of Europe. I do not have S. jeanleclercqi in my collection, so I can't compare it. But we should have a second look at specimens identified as S. variegata. Liekele |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 09-05-2008 10:12
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Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 8248 Joined: 03.03.07 |
Thank you very much Liekele !  My assumptions came from these drawings. Under lens, the distiphallus is quite similar (broad stylus shape, same upcurved harpe, rather sclerotised vesica and also this typical wrinkled juxta). So I'm very happy to heard your opinion. I join another picture taken under lens (poor photo again , but we can see the wrinkled juxta).Kind regards. Stephane Lebrun attached the following image:  [116.08Kb] Stephane. |
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| cthirion |
Posted on 09-05-2008 11:27
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Member Location: Awirs (Flémalle) Belgique Posts: 901 Joined: 13.08.04 |
To laugh a little... il has there a species which was dedicated to me by LEHRER Leclercqiomyia thirionae, a fly which attends the dejections, I think fortunately that it became a synonym!
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| Jan HC Velterop |
Posted on 23-10-2009 16:08
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Member Location: Enschede NL 7544 ZE 106 Posts: 56 Joined: 08.03.06 |
I agree fully with Liekeles ID. I have some dozen specimina in my collection. One of them is identified by Lehrer in 1993 as "S. jeanleclercqi". I catched it in the Morvan. The species is not rare in the Alps, occurring also in the Italian Trentino. I met it the first time in 1969 in the swiss Jura, then in 1970 in the belgian province of Luxemburg. In the field I have not found any distinguishing characters. Jan H.C. Velterop. |
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