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Green tachinid?
javig	#1 Posted on 12-04-2008 18:28
Member Location: Spain Posts: 222 Joined: 21.04.07	Granada, Southern Spain, 1800 m., April 2008 thx


jorgemotalmeida	#2 Posted on 12-04-2008 18:38
Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06	Gymnochaeta sp.


javig	#3 Posted on 12-04-2008 20:42
Member Location: Spain Posts: 222 Joined: 21.04.07	Thanks Jorge! The only species in Spain is Gymnochaeta viridis... although Iberfauna database said Gymnocheta instead of Gymnochaeta


jorgemotalmeida	#4 Posted on 12-04-2008 20:44
Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06	no!!! it is wrong! IT IS REALLY GymnochAEta see the other thread about Gymnochaeta. Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 12-04-2008 20:44


jorgemotalmeida	#5 Posted on 12-04-2008 20:45
Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06	SEE HERE: http://diptera.in...post_56260 Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 12-04-2008 20:47


Juergen Peters	#6 Posted on 12-04-2008 21:05
Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14348 Joined: 11.09.04	Hello, Jorge! jorgemotalmeida wrote: no!!! it is wrong! IT IS REALLY GymnochAEta see the other thread about Gymnochaeta. I would also prefer the orthographically correct spelling. But isn't there a rule that even wrong spelled names remain valid if used in the literature for more than 50 years or so? For example: many authors use Xanthorhoe quadrifasciata for the Geometrid moth, but by experts in the lepiforum I was told that the valid name is still X. quadrifasiata without the 'c', although orthographically incorrect. And so the names Gymnochaeta (and Campylochaeta etc.) are noted as uncorrect emendations in "Entomofauna germanica". Very confusing for a layman when searching for species with one spelling and not finding them because differently spelled on websites etc... Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


jorgemotalmeida	#7 Posted on 13-04-2008 18:53
Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06	I think the correct spelling is Xanthorhoe quadrifasciata it doesn't make sense saying: quadrifasiata -- it is misspelling! clearly! It is something like calling fascism as fasism Don't trust what a book says! We always must use critical spirit. The correct spelling is Gymnochaeta. There are plenty examples in Latin: we spell chamAEleon and not ChamEleon. Or we say chimAEra and not chimEra. Of course, don't even trust me. lol I'm not the absolute truth. Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 13-04-2008 19:05


jorgemotalmeida	#8 Posted on 13-04-2008 19:04
Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06	more: fasciata means STRIPE - referring that the lepidopter has 4 (from quadri) stripes in the wings. It doesn't exist such thing as fasiata


Juergen Peters	#9 Posted on 13-04-2008 23:24
Member Location: northwest Germany Posts: 14348 Joined: 11.09.04	Hello, Jorge! jorgemotalmeida wrote: fasciata means STRIPE - referring that the lepidopter has 4 (from quadri) stripes in the wings. It doesn't exist such thing as fasiata It's clear, that the spelling is orthographically incorrect. But, hey - taxonomy is not orthography... There are many very strange names in the system, and I don't know the IUZN rules well enough to tell whether a taxonname is correct (to taxonomy, not orthography) for some priority reasons or customary law... Best regards, Jürgen -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Juergen Peters Borgholzhausen, Germany WWW: http://insektenfo... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


jorgemotalmeida	#10 Posted on 13-04-2008 23:30
Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06	I'm pretty sure that taxonomy rules defend that quadrifasciata is the correct one. They follow the Latin/Greek rules. Taxonomy also is correct spelling. I will consult IUZN (but not now. it will take a while) And yeah, that's true: there are many very strange names... but it doesn't mean they could be correct. Also the same for vice-versa.