Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Tachinidae ?
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| Moumoule |
Posted on 03-10-2025 17:32
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Member Location: South of France Posts: 50 Joined: 25.08.20 |
Hello, Is it the right familly ? Do you have any idea concerning this fly ?  MOLINIER Cédric : France : Py : 66360 : 22/07/2025 Altitude : 1049 m - Taille : 5-6 mm Réf. : 365090  MOLINIER Cédric : France : Py : 66360 : 22/07/2025 Altitude : 1049 m - Taille : 5-6 mm Réf. : 365091  MOLINIER Cédric : France : Py : 66360 : 22/07/2025 Altitude : 1049 m - Taille : 5-6 mm Réf. : 365113 |
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| Nacho Cabellos |
Posted on 04-10-2025 17:42
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 Member Location: Spain Posts: 1532 Joined: 27.09.09 |
Maybe Pandelleia (Tachinidae) |
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| Moumoule |
Posted on 04-10-2025 18:28
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Member Location: South of France Posts: 50 Joined: 25.08.20 |
Muchas gracias Nacho ! Seems to be a very good option ! Maybe the female of the male in the gallery... Thanks again ! |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 04-10-2025 21:59
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 Super Administrator Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 10541 Joined: 22.10.10 |
The fly in the gallery has the wrong species name. There is no Pandelleia sexmaculata. The checklist of world Tachinidae has two species in Europe which were formerly considered synonyms. Pandelleia otiorrhynchi Villeneuve, 1922. Europe (W. Europe (France, Germany, Switzerland)). Pandelleia sexpunctata (Pandellé, 1896). Central Asia (Uzbekistan), Europe (S. Europe (Andorra, Spain), W. Europe (France)), Middle East (Israel), Russia (Eastern Siberia), Transcaucasia. Edit: I corrected the name in the gallery to sexpunctata. Edited by John Carr on 05-10-2025 10:15 |
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| Moumoule |
Posted on 05-10-2025 01:02
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Member Location: South of France Posts: 50 Joined: 25.08.20 |
Ok, thank you very much for your answer John ! I've seen there were many synonyms of Pandelleia sexpunctata but I thought Theo was saying that Peter Tschorsnig told him both species were synonyms in this thread but now it's clear with your explanation ! So, is there a key to separate one from the other or do you know if this fly is Pandelleia sexpunctata or Pandelleia otiorrhynchi as both can apparently be in my area ? In an old french document from Dr J. Villeneuve, there's a description of Pandelleia alpicola (one of Pandelleia sexpunctata's synonyms) that doesn't match on every point so this one might be Pandelleia otiorrhynchi, what do you think ? |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 05-10-2025 10:29
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Super Administrator Location: Colorado, USA Posts: 10541 Joined: 22.10.10 |
If the synonymy was not published as a new synonym or otherwise communicated to the computers in Ottawa, the checklist may be out of date. The specimen from which Pandelleia alpicola was described is much darker than the fly in this thread. |
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| Moumoule |
Posted on 05-10-2025 20:35
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Member Location: South of France Posts: 50 Joined: 25.08.20 |
Ok, so you think would be wiser to stay at Pandelleia sp. for this one ? |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 06-10-2025 16:08
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19223 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Peter Tschorsnig once informally told me that he considered both species synonymous (of course, only valid at the time he told me). I have seen the genus only once, so I cannot give an opinion. But since oversplitting seems more common than overlumping .... Tschorsnig might be right ! Theo |
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| Moumoule |
Posted on 20-10-2025 21:51
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Member Location: South of France Posts: 50 Joined: 25.08.20 |
Ok, thank you very much for the info Theo. Sorry for the delay... |
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