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 Ceratopogonidae (Tony Irwin); SW Spain
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 10-02-2024 16:58
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 Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1033 Joined: 23.04.10 |
I have no clue to which family this fly (2.2 mm) belongs. Very strange venation. I found this specimen on a wall in Minas de Riotinto, Huelva. Any idea? Thanks! 
Andre Burgers attached the following image:  [225.05Kb] Edited by Andre Burgers on 10-02-2024 21:07 errare humanum est sed perseverare diabolicum |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 10-02-2024 18:50
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 Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7193 Joined: 19.11.04 |
Ceratopogonidae
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 10-02-2024 18:58
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1033 Joined: 23.04.10 |
Thanks, Tony! I have seen many Ceratopogonidae, but never like this one.
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 10-02-2024 20:23
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Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7193 Joined: 19.11.04 |
The short, oblong radial cells are a good indicator for Ceratopogonidae.
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 10-02-2024 21:06
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1033 Joined: 23.04.10 |
Perfectly explained, Tony! 
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| John Carr |
Posted on 10-02-2024 21:26
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 Member Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 9847 Joined: 22.10.10 |
Ceratopogonini, likely Ceratopogon. Wing veins also match Culicoides which has more hairs on the wing and shorter claws. |
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 11-02-2024 15:09
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1033 Joined: 23.04.10 |
Well, a new genus for me (or tribe). Thanks, John!
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 11-02-2024 17:20
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1033 Joined: 23.04.10 |
I found some information about this genus. Iberfauna only names one species for Spain, Ceratopogon niveipennis. http://iberfauna.mncn.csic.es/showficha.aspx?rank=T&idtax=63066 As I have no idea whether this is correct I read "Beitrag zur Kenntniss der Gattung Ceratopogon Meigen" by J. Winnertz. The description of its syn, C. candidatus and drawing of the wing fit my specimen. Is it possible to identify these species by photo? ¡Saludos! André errare humanum est sed perseverare diabolicum |
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| John Carr |
Posted on 11-02-2024 18:40
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Member Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 9847 Joined: 22.10.10 |
Four species are known from western Europe. Quoting Art Borkent: "They are generally early spring, alpine or arctic species and the genus is strictly Holarctic. Many females are difficult to identify even after slide mounting but the males, with very large genitalia, have good characters." |
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 12-02-2024 19:10
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1033 Joined: 23.04.10 |
John Carr wrote: Four species are known from western Europe. Quoting Art Borkent: "They are generally early spring, alpine or arctic species and the genus is strictly Holarctic. Many females are difficult to identify even after slide mounting but the males, with very large genitalia, have good characters." Well, that is clear! Thanks, John!
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 15-02-2024 09:02
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19229 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Andre, if you can check on original image if you can see an internal tooth on the tarsal claws then, please, do so. From this image it seems to be absent (although that may be because of orientation of the visible claws), but the tooth should be present in niveipennis.
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 17-02-2024 14:53
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1033 Joined: 23.04.10 |
Hi, Paul! I don't see any tooth on its claws. I will upload a cropped photo. Thanks!! André Andre Burgers attached the following image:  [35.38Kb] errare humanum est sed perseverare diabolicum |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 21-02-2024 16:22
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19229 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Then it should be another species 
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| Andre Burgers |
Posted on 22-02-2024 15:25
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Member Location: Minas de Riotinto, Huelva Province, Spain Posts: 1033 Joined: 23.04.10 |
Paul Beuk wrote: Then it should be another species No problemo, Paul! Bedankt weer!
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