Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (adults)
 Phebellia? Southern Alps
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| clovis |
Posted on 05-12-2022 19:18
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Member Location: North France, lille Posts: 924 Joined: 08.06.10 |
Hi, My new question is about this female, caught in a nice marsland, in Hautes Alpes, in France (Southern Alps), not so hight (900m) Using central european key, I end out on Phebellia genus (and it would be nigripalpis). But using Mosch web, this genus is excluded when I put "black palpi". What do you think? Black palpi Notopleural setae smaller than first post ia 3 katepisternal 2 brisles on radiocubital node Protesternum hairyNo hairs on cheeks Apex of scutellum orange Apical setae on scutellum broken (one of, the second raised about 70°, but I can exclude its broken and standing in an unatural position) eyes hairy medial tibia with 3 ad  clovis : France : Manteyer : 05400 : 03/05/2022 Altitude : 941 m - Taille : 6,5 mm Réf. : 316031  clovis : France : Manteyer : 05400 : 03/05/2022 Altitude : 941 m - Taille : 6,5 mm Réf. : 316032  clovis : France : Manteyer : 05400 : 03/05/2022 Altitude : 941 m - Taille : 6,5 mm Réf. : 316034  clovis : France : Manteyer : 05400 : 03/05/2022 Altitude : 941 m - Taille : 6,5 mm Réf. : 316035 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 06-12-2022 08:00
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19143 Joined: 21.07.04 |
First of all, the “ Phebellia” with black palpus are currently united in the genus Prooppia. Not for that readon, by the way, the reproduction strategy is different. Alas, life is not so simple and shortly I will publish an article complicating matters, unfortunately. That said, this is a straighforward Phryxe to me. Vertex much too broad for Prooppia. Theo |
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| clovis |
Posted on 11-12-2022 12:27
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Member Location: North France, lille Posts: 924 Joined: 08.06.10 |
Sorry for delay, lot to do this week. So that explain why Phebellia genus dissapered when including "black palpi" on Tachi.eu! I now have to find one (both!) of those to genus to explore how you complicate things  So a Phryxe, that means I again went wrong on the shape of the humeral bristles. This is a point I now should check both alternative when it doesn't fit! Tergites in rear view are almost totaly dusted, so I'd go on Phryxe cf vulgaris. Does the antennas seems compatible with this idea to you? Thanks, as always 
Edited by clovis on 11-12-2022 12:28 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 11-12-2022 14:08
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19143 Joined: 21.07.04 |
If you want to be 100 % sure, check the genitalia, but Ph. vilgaris seems OK Theo |
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