Diptera.info :: Identification queries :: Diptera (eggs, larvae, pupae)
Who is here? 1 guest(s)
 from pre-Linnean atlas
|
|
| mwkozlowski |
Posted on 01-04-2022 12:08
|
 Member Location: Warsaw, Poland Posts: 751 Joined: 17.10.06 |
could i be Ptychopteridae?
mwkozlowski attached the following image:  [80.9Kb] very general entomologist |
|
|
|
| atylotus |
Posted on 03-04-2022 09:22
|
 Member Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 1119 Joined: 29.05.09 |
As the thoracic horns are equal my best guess would be closer to the pupa of Prionocera, but I cannot rule out some Limoniidae. I will check it tomorrow when I'm back at the lab. I should have all of them in my collection
Edited by atylotus on 03-04-2022 10:04 |
|
|
|
| atylotus |
Posted on 05-04-2022 09:54
|
|
Member Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 1119 Joined: 29.05.09 |
Ptychoptera exuvium
atylotus attached the following image:  [164.12Kb] |
|
|
|
| atylotus |
Posted on 05-04-2022 09:55
|
|
Member Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 1119 Joined: 29.05.09 |
Prionocera exuvium
atylotus attached the following image:  [212.96Kb] Edited by atylotus on 05-04-2022 09:55 |
|
|
|
| atylotus |
Posted on 05-04-2022 09:58
|
|
Member Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 1119 Joined: 29.05.09 |
So, your pre-linnean drawing must be a member of Ptychopteridae. The anal segment may differ in species, but the abdomen and long thoracic spiracles are unlike any other family I have ever seen. |
|
|
|
| mwkozlowski |
Posted on 08-04-2022 20:10
|
|
Member Location: Warsaw, Poland Posts: 751 Joined: 17.10.06 |
Many thanks from the autor, Joris Hoefnagel (1542-1601)
very general entomologist |
|
|
|
| weia |
Posted on 08-04-2022 22:46
|
|
Member Location: Posts: 372 Joined: 10.07.11 |
Interesting artist from what is now Belgium: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category rawings_by_Joris_Hoefnagel |
|
|
|
| mwkozlowski |
Posted on 10-04-2022 11:51
|
|
Member Location: Warsaw, Poland Posts: 751 Joined: 17.10.06 |
Some time ago I supplied Diptera.info with a picture of the pupa of Ptychoptera contaminata: https://diptera.info/photogallery.php?photo_id=11225 and it had extremely unequal breathing tubules. contrary to that on the old picture.... very general entomologist |
|
|
|
| atylotus |
Posted on 11-04-2022 15:01
|
|
Member Location: Amsterdam, NL Posts: 1119 Joined: 29.05.09 |
Yes, I know that Ptychoptera pupa have unequal thoracic spiracles, but often they break. I agree that your pre-linnean drawing isn't an exact match with Ptychoptera but I cannot think of any other family. |
|
|
|
| Jump to Forum: |
but don't see the image in the post.