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 Fly ID. >Chamaepsila limbatella
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| Pentti Ketola |
Posted on 13-09-2021 11:35
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Member Location: Posts: 5016 Joined: 04.02.10 |
Hi, ID possible? Photo on Finland Kokkola 13 Sep. 2021. Thanks in advance. Pentti Ketola attached the following image:  [130.72Kb] Edited by Pentti Ketola on 06-10-2022 10:51 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 13-09-2021 11:42
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19223 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Chamaepsila (?) Theo |
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| Pentti Ketola |
Posted on 13-09-2021 17:31
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Member Location: Posts: 5016 Joined: 04.02.10 |
Thank you Theo! Best regards, Pentti |
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| Jocelyn Claude |
Posted on 22-09-2022 11:12
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Member Location: Posts: 45 Joined: 29.08.22 |
Hi, I think we can go further. Your specimen has 1 (pair of) sc; 2dc; 3vt; Mesonotum black; Pleuron black (with yelow spot on proepisternum => Chamaepsila persimilis or confusa. This is where the identification becomes more complicated as Cha. confusa has in the apically black palpus and the entirely black postpedicel, whereas Cha. persimilis has a partially black postpedicel (as here) and yellow palps (not as here). If you have kept it and it is a male then examination of the genitalia would be a reliable source of identification. If not then leave it as Cha. persimilis/confusa, although I lean more towards Cha. persimilis (I have both species with me) JOcelyn |
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| Pentti Ketola |
Posted on 01-10-2022 16:08
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Member Location: Posts: 5016 Joined: 04.02.10 |
Thank you Jocelyn! Best regards, Pentti |
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| Jocelyn Claude |
Posted on 03-10-2022 20:10
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Member Location: Posts: 45 Joined: 29.08.22 |
Pentti, I apologise for my mistake. I was not satisfied with my answer and the dilemma with the criteria of one or the other of these two species stated before; In fact if one looks at your pictures well one realizes that there is only one pair of dc on the mesonotum, and not two as I thought I saw! So not only can it not be persimilis/confusa but 1sc+1dc+3vt+Yellow body setae+Mesonotum and pleura completely black to brown + Yellowish proepisternum. Postpronotum and pleurae paler, sometimes entirely black pleurae + Scutellum black + Reddish head => Chamaepsila limbatella (Zetterstedt, 1847) |
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