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 Rhagionidae to ID
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| Carlo Monari |
Posted on 28-07-2021 14:38
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Member Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 271 Joined: 28.04.11 |
Hi, recently in the italian forum FNM was submitted the following post: https://www.natur..._ID=334517 in my opinion it could be Rhagio cingulatus, but I am far from an expert, I simply tried to apply Van Veen keys which, by the way, are not for the Italian fauna. Best regards, Carlo |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 28-07-2021 15:15
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 Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5551 Joined: 02.03.05 |
Rhagio sp for sure, this is an alpine species. Indeed R. cingulata is the most likely, maybe Theo Zeegers can confirm it. I saw a similar snipe fly in Austria, but could not take a photo.
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| Carlo Monari |
Posted on 29-07-2021 17:46
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Member Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 271 Joined: 28.04.11 |
Thanks Gabor.I'll wiat for Theo's opinion.
Edited by Carlo Monari on 31-07-2021 22:39 Best regards, Carlo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 30-07-2021 08:40
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19247 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Then, please post it here. Theo |
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| Carlo Monari |
Posted on 31-07-2021 22:34
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Member Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 271 Joined: 28.04.11 |
Here are the photos. They were shot by Andrea Solari on jul 16, 2021 in Lizzola (BG), northern Italy, at 1300 meters asl. Fisrst one Carlo Monari attached the following image:  [61.5Kb] Best regards, Carlo |
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| Carlo Monari |
Posted on 31-07-2021 22:35
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Member Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 271 Joined: 28.04.11 |
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Carlo Monari attached the following image:  [123.52Kb] Best regards, Carlo |
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| Carlo Monari |
Posted on 31-07-2021 22:36
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Member Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 271 Joined: 28.04.11 |
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Carlo Monari attached the following image:  [110.14Kb] Best regards, Carlo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 01-08-2021 09:56
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19247 Joined: 21.07.04 |
So, this is interesting. It is too dark for cingulatus. Moreover, please note it is a male (!) with dichoptic eyes. A feature of big importance, as we know from Rh. atlanticus. It agrees generally very well with the dwscription of Rh. rondanii Bezzi, whcih I only know from description. Bezzi’s types are not accessible. The leg colouration is slightly off, but very variable in many Rhagio species. So, for now, it is Rhagio (cf.) rondanii. Please submit for the gallery as such ! Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 01-08-2021 10:00
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19247 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Ah, apparently the type was in Budapest, in which case it is certainly lost. Theo |
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| Carlo Monari |
Posted on 01-08-2021 14:02
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Member Location: Milan, Italy Posts: 271 Joined: 28.04.11 |
Thanks!
Best regards, Carlo |
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| Xespok |
Posted on 02-08-2021 07:36
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Member Location: Debrecen, Hungary Posts: 5551 Joined: 02.03.05 |
Please also upload this to inaturalist.org! I think this is the first image of this rare species.
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