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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 02-08-2011 20:59
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
you should paint them black...  |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 03-08-2011 09:07
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
So, to be clear to all: Atylotus plebejus is now beyond any doubt. Thanks Theo |
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| pierred |
Posted on 03-08-2011 12:32
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 Member Location: Paris (France) Posts: 1484 Joined: 21.04.05 |
Hi,
Edited by pierred on 03-08-2011 15:26 Pierre Duhem |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 03-08-2011 14:23
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Member Location: Posts: 1697 Joined: 28.10.07 |
I will try to search for this spec in other places i thing it can be found, in acid ponds etc where i use to found rare dragonflies also... Thanks to everybody
Edited by picotverd on 03-08-2011 16:10 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 04-08-2011 16:57
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Does somebody in France has information on the presence of plebejus/sublunaticornis in France ? I'm aware that Leclercq did mention only sublunaticornis from quite some localities in the Alps. Chvala et al mentioned only sublunaticornis, apparently based on Leclercq. However, Leclercq identified the material wrong, at least proven so in Belgium and Netherlands: most of his 'sublunaticornis' actually is plebejes. So, that why I am curious on new information if available Thank, Theo |
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| sd |
Posted on 04-08-2011 19:30
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Member Location: Suffolk, UK Posts: 893 Joined: 11.10.07 |
Theo, could you say something about Leclercq's species A. venturii, which also has hairy eyes and a linear callus - Portillo mentions a single record for Spain in his book. Steve |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 04-08-2011 20:45
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Not so grey and with very thick palps. The habitat 'acid pond' very clearly indicates sublunaticornis or plebejus. Venturii, to the opposite, is a 'warm' species. The calli are very variable in Atylotus (that is, they are small, but otherwise very variable) and of little use. Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 04-08-2011 21:58
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Theo, is it Atylotus plebejus or Atylotus plebeius? Atylotus sublunaticornis is present in France. Atylotus plebeius I put as an interrogation point... Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 04-08-2011 21:59 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 05-08-2011 21:01
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
What is your source, if you please ? Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 14-08-2011 00:03
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Hi Theo. Back a few hours ago from the fantastic Pyrynees. Just fantastic indeed. I'll email you to tell some news.  I saw that info in faunaeur.org. Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 14-08-2011 00:04 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 14-08-2011 10:30
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
OK, faunaeuro.org is unreliable in this, because Chvala based his west-European records on Leclercq (so it seems). The record of sublunaticornis for NL is 100 % incorrect !! Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 14-08-2011 11:00
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
So, it must be updated and rectified... And what about the restrictive name? |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 14-08-2011 15:48
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Well, I'm not the author of faunaeur.org, ..... I don't understand the last question. Please rephrase. Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 14-08-2011 15:52
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Is it plebeius or plebejus ? Eol uses the former.. but I am not sure which is correct. I also checked here in the nomenclator: http://www.dipter...Recn=52670 |
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