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| picotverd |
Posted on 16-07-2010 10:07
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Last weekend, spanish pyrenees... just this photo...
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 17-07-2010 15:21
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
It is very difficult to see, due to the light. Do you remember the abdomen ? was is greyish or yellowish ? Theo |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 18-07-2010 20:32
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I would say greyish... |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 21-07-2010 11:06
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Well, I was afraid of that. I'm lost The femora suggest fulvus, as does the antenna. The general colouration suggest rusticus. Using a dice is not very scientific, so this is where it ends for me. Theo |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 31-07-2011 20:59
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One year later i have come to the same place and found the same fly, more collaborative....
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| picotverd |
Posted on 31-07-2011 20:59
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another view
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| picotverd |
Posted on 31-07-2011 21:00
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more...
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| picotverd |
Posted on 01-08-2011 10:06
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my work done!
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 01-08-2011 20:34
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The eyes are hairy, how could I have missed this a year ago ?? SO that suggests A. latistriatus. However, it looks completely different ! Any change you have a picture in which we can see a palpus laterally ? Thanks Theo |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 01-08-2011 20:40
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I'm getting more and more confused. This is a species you are not supposed to have in Spain. Could you describe the habitat where it was found ? Thanks Theo |
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| sd |
Posted on 01-08-2011 21:25
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Member Location: Suffolk, UK Posts: 893 Joined: 11.10.07 |
note there is no appendix to vein R4, and the linear callus both unusual for Atylotus. I think Theo has 2 names he is considering, either would be an exciting discovery. One is from the North and the other is an enigmatic Meditteranean one Steve |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 01-08-2011 21:43
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Theo, Pyrynees are magic.  |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 02-08-2011 08:46
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palpus...
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| picotverd |
Posted on 02-08-2011 09:11
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Habitat: very special one, very excepcional: an acid pond with Potamogeton natans, Scorpidium scorpioides, Utricularia minor, Carex lasiocarpa (very rare in Pyrenees) and C. limosa, Equisetum fluviatile, Menyanthes trifoliata, Drosera longifolia, and rotundifollia, rounded by Pinus uncinata... It is a very scarce place where also occurs relicted dragonflies tipical from boreal ecosystems, for example. I have to come back soon and if necessary i will try to found the fly, if i found, so let me know... Edited by picotverd on 09-03-2012 10:32 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 02-08-2011 16:51
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
OH MY GOD Acid pond, that is what I'd love to hear !! it is Atylotus plebejus (or just possibly sublunaticornis, need to work on that to be very sure: but that would be even more spectacular) NEW for the IBERIAN PENINSULA. No wonder I didn't think of it before !!! Excellent work, excllent pics, my mistake last year. I will come back to you on this. Theo |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 02-08-2011 16:58
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Theo, maybe I 'll go to Pyrynnees next week. Maybe!
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| picotverd |
Posted on 02-08-2011 17:29
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Mmmm... it is a very hidden place... take portuguese Oporto wine with you... |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 02-08-2011 17:32
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
ahah I will TAKE TWO for this!!! 20 years! |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 02-08-2011 19:50
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19310 Joined: 21.07.04 |
I'm 99,8 % certain it is Atylotus plebejus, not sublunaticornis. The question is whether the hairs on occiput are white or black. In at least two pictures, they are clearly white. Picotverd might check the 'original' on this (or PM me I and will). Great discovery, picotverd, it needs to be published !! Theo |
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| picotverd |
Posted on 02-08-2011 20:43
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Clearly white in my pc, here another pic
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