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 Thai. Beach Sarcophagidae
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 19-12-2007 17:05
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9459 Joined: 24.05.05 |
I hope to get name (at least genus) from our Sarcophagidae expert. This fly is very common on dry sand in 2-5m from sea on any beach. Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [89.77Kb] Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 19-12-2007 21:19
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19011 Joined: 21.07.04 |
The habitat suggests Sarcophila latifrons, the fly seems different, though. Theo |
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| conopid |
Posted on 19-12-2007 23:26
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 Member Location: United Kingdom Posts: 1039 Joined: 02.07.04 |
Well, I am certainly no Sarcophagidae expert, but this reminds me of Metopia?
Nigel Jones, Shrewsbury, United Kingdom |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 20-12-2007 21:44
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 19011 Joined: 21.07.04 |
It does, because of its colour, but it is not. Metopia has the parafrontalia toughing each other , here the frontal stripe between the parafrontalia is very broad. |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 21-12-2007 10:54
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
This is not Miltogramminae. I do not know any Miltogramminae with such big genitalia. It is not Sarcophila, because this male does not have proclinate orbitals. My guess would be Paramacronychiinae, Wohlfahrtiodes. But my knowledge of oriental Paramacronychiinae is poor. Please check hind coxae. They should not be hairy on posterior surface, to exclude Sarcophaginae. Liekele |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 27-03-2008 14:58
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 305 Joined: 16.04.05 |
I have seen some specimens yesterday. Hind coxae are hairy, so this belongs to Sarcophaginae. It is consistent with description of Sarcophaga (Leucomyia) alba, though I have not checked genitalia yet. Very nice surprise. Liekele |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 27-03-2008 15:21
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9459 Joined: 24.05.05 |
1. Thank you Liekele. 2. Why Sarcophaga (Leucomyia) alba is very nice surprise? Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 29-03-2008 20:56
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
maybe it is rare around and just common in Thai beaches?  Or it is new for the region...
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 29-03-2008 20:56 |
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| Jan HC Velterop |
Posted on 11-04-2008 14:47
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Member Location: Enschede NL 7544 ZE 106 Posts: 56 Joined: 08.03.06 |
An interesting shore sarcophagid, this Sarcophaga (Leucomyia) alba. It occurs from India and Sri Lanka up to the Ryu-Kyu-Isles. In the northern Kyoto region its numbers have strongly diminished and it is now considered threatened. There are nice photo's on the japanese site: http://furumusi.aez.jp/wiki.cgi?Sarcophagidae064 . Who wants it, can the texts having translated by Babel Fish at Altavista. Good luck, Jan HC Velterop. |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 11-04-2008 15:21
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9459 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Well, so it is very nice surprise, because it is nice fly and Sarcophaga ID to species level. Also, very nice fly to observe it's biology - you can site on the sea beach as "normal" = "not crazy" tourist and observe it's life. Anything is known about Sarcophaga alba biology so far? Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 11-04-2008 20:25
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 Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06 |
Ahem...where was the dead crab then?
Susan |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 11-04-2008 20:48
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9459 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Susan, Sarcophaga alba isn't sp.nov for science. Such a common flies may be found even without dead crab! Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Susan R Walter |
Posted on 12-04-2008 18:25
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Member Location: Touraine du Sud, central France Posts: 1802 Joined: 14.01.06 |
That's all right then - just checking your definition of 'normal'
Susan |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 06-01-2009 16:29
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9459 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Returning back to Sarcophaga alba I promised to observe biology of this species. Unfortunelly this year S. alba was much less common than previous. Susan, it is really assosiated with crabs, but not dead crabs, with alive crabs. S. alba concentrate near large (about 10cm D) holes of crabs and also spend a lot of time deep inside this holes. Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| ChrisR |
Posted on 06-01-2009 16:50
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 Super Administrator Location: Reading, England Posts: 7703 Joined: 12.07.04 |
Interesting observations ... have you changed your Diptera study to beach-living species so that you can watch them while sipping a Piņa colada and relaxing on a sun-lounger?  ... and no, I am not at all jealous ... really ... honestly ... with -7C here in England |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 06-01-2009 18:41
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9459 Joined: 24.05.05 |
you changed your Diptera study to beach-living species so that you can watch them while sipping a Piņa colada and relaxing on a sun-lounger Oh, Chris, I hoped so, but in reallity it looks not as wonderful - you observe Sarcophaga and a crowd of Thai people observe you. I'd prefer deep forest observations... Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Tony Irwin |
Posted on 06-01-2009 18:53
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 Member Location: Norwich, England Posts: 7286 Joined: 19.11.04 |
Hi Nikita - just wondering whether there are any snails associated with the crab holes - these might be a potential host?
Tony ---------- Tony Irwin |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 07-01-2009 01:07
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Nikita Vikhrev wrote: you changed your Diptera study to beach-living species so that you can watch them while sipping a Piņa colada and relaxing on a sun-lounger Oh, Chris, I hoped so, but in reallity it looks not as wonderful - you observe Sarcophaga and a crowd of Thai people observe you. I'd prefer deep forest observations...  LOL Nikita! And you got some dead crab into the car? |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 07-01-2009 08:42
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9459 Joined: 24.05.05 |
Jorge, it was alive crab! Tony, I can't see why we need any snails in addition. Wet sand mixed with crab's excrements in shade of crab hole - isn't it a paradise condition for Sarcophaga larvae? Nikita Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Gordon |
Posted on 07-01-2009 10:10
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 Member Location: Lake Kerkini, Greece Posts: 1101 Joined: 02.01.08 |
Dear Nikita, If you visited some of the research stations scattered around you would find a different sort of Thai person. If you were going as far north as Petchaburi I could give you a contact at the Lam Pak Bia Mangrove research centre - it has about 4 km of raised wooden walkways through the mangroves as well as a lot of wastewater reclamtion study and demonstration plots. There is no hotel nearby but they would probably be able to find you a bed for a couple of nights. A little further north is the Marine Coast and Mangrove Research Centre, they too have raised walkways through the mangroves, but not as much. Both places also have a lot of Salt farms and shrimps farms nearby. No Pina Colades however. |
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