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Calliphoridae: Onesia cf. floralis ♂
eklans
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Posted on 10-11-2021 14:31
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 Found that male Calliphoridae this morning on the compost (Ansbach, close to Frankenhoehe Nature Park, old deciduous forest, 2021-11-10).
I think it's a Calliphora but it seems strange to me:
- size > 10 mm
- abdomen green
- parafacialia fine hairs on upper half (if at all)
- orange hairs on postgena
- basicosta black
- anterior spiracle dark
- veins darkened
Can it be loewi?
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Greetings, Eric
 
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 frons, antenna, arista
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 gena, palps
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 wing, abdomen
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 Would be Happy to know !
Thank for sharing !
 
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 Why not Onesia ?
 
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 Good question: I thought, Onesia should have hairy parafacialia like Bellardia, but that was an error! The prest ia is weak and the post ia seem to be partly broken. Onesia is it (though I fear I must not call it floralis)! TumbsUp
Thank you very much, Theo!
Greetings, Eric
 
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 Looks like a Calliphora subalpina.
 
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 Yes, but that soecies does not occur in this region Sad

Theo
 
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 Hopefully I may call it floralis as I've found evidence in my images using
Revision der Gattung Onesia (H. Schumann) - loosely translated:
"Crucial is also the distance between the compound eyes of the males: it's narrowest distance is longer than the distance between the hind ocelli"
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 and another one:
"Important is the male's absence of the ventral bristle on the mid tibia"

@EsinM: Thank you! I've excluded Calliphora subalpina as it should have more marginal scutellars.
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 I have some very similar copies, I can send them along with the flies for Theo. Or I can take a photo. It's very interesting to find out who it is. Such flies are very active in autumn near beer traps.
 
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 I'm looking forward to see the photo.
Greetings, Eric
 
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 Your fly looks very similar to my Onesia - except the very blue colour of the abdomen and I'm not sure if there are 3 postsutural ia. But I couldn't find a Calliphora with dark basicosta, gena and a resembling frons - loewia's is narrower.
Greetings, Eric
 
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 Oh, you got it pinned !
Simply check the number of post IA bristles.
Or make a sharp pic of the thorax.

I mentioned before that none of the exernal featues by Schumann work in mu material ( well, they work 75 %)

Theo
 
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 Thanks Theo, I remember your words about Schumann Wink
The pinned fly is from EsinM, Mordovia reserve, it resembles my fly.
Edited by eklans on 12-11-2021 09:55
Greetings, Eric
 
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