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 New Paraphamartania sp. nov. from Viseu - PORTUGAL
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 18-08-2014 11:13
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 Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Lithoeciscus heydenii <b>Asilidae</b>. Lithoeciscus heydenii 2014.VIII.17 - Póvoa Dão - Silgueiros - Viseu - PORTUGAL  fits apparently very well the specimen in Museum of Madrid... Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 21-09-2014 16:50 |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 18-08-2014 23:28
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 Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Jorge, the picture is beautiful!!  But honestly, somebody with good knowledge of German should check the description of Lithoeciscus heydenii carefully. This beauty really looks very similar and the specimen of L. heydenii in the museum fits better than anything else with your specimen. But I doubt that is enough to ID the specimen openly like this  |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 03-09-2014 19:55
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
A front head view: |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 14-09-2014 23:33
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
This one still needs confirmation. |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 15-09-2014 23:41
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
´before it was http://www.dipter...ecn=385244 description in German... jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:  [191.13Kb] |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 15-09-2014 23:47
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 16-09-2014 01:13
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
I understand you want an answer. My problem with this creature is that it in no way looks like a Cyrtopogon. When you read the text of Loew it says that the legs should be entirely black and also the beard should be black with some white bristles. Engel describes heydeni castellanus and that has a white beard and only the base of the tibiae is red. The legs of your creature are too red and the overall appearance looks like no Cyrtopogon. Both Engel and Loew refer to that by mentioning that it should look much like a female Cyrtopogon lateralis: http://www.robberflies.info/keyger/htmle/cyrlat.html It seems you have collected the creature and maybe pictures of wings, abdomen both dorsal as ventral would help. I think it is yet a different genus but do not know which. : ( Edited by Quaedfliegh on 16-09-2014 01:15 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 16-09-2014 11:51
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Could you also add a close-up of the front tibiae and look for a tiny spur at the top? I think i see one on the top-photo. Maybe this is a Paraphamartania species!
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| jonas |
Posted on 16-09-2014 13:06
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I have some serious doubts on ID of this one too. As told Jorge before, I dare not say more without the extra photos (tibia 1 to start with, but antennae could be helpfull too). A+ Jonas |
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| jonas |
Posted on 16-09-2014 13:08
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and the wing venation while you are busy :-) cheers |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-09-2014 13:21
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I never was really very convinced from this ID, that's why I remarked with an interrogation point! This weekend I'll go to Marvão. Then I'll take some more photos from the requested parts. Indeed I found this fly in some way (and disturbing.... in some similarities with another fly I saw in Marvão which is not Paraphamartania...) odd... Check this photo! 
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 13:44 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-09-2014 19:57
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
Quaedfliegh wrote: Could you also add a close-up of the front tibiae and look for a tiny spur at the top? I think i see one on the top-photo. Maybe this is a Paraphamartania species! And you are right!!!!! A bristle in femur 1... check this photo : and more interesting ... the wings are infuscated in almost all transversal veins.. like P. marvaoensis!??!?! jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:  [191.52Kb] Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 20:31 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-09-2014 20:00
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
to add more mistery... I am not sure if P. marvaoensis has reddish tergites like this one (i recall that it has black and some white patterned patches. ) jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:  [169.68Kb] |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-09-2014 20:05
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-09-2014 20:14
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
... this giving so much itching because it really resembles in some features of P. marvaoensis except for some (several!  ) details... look at the venation! What is surprising is the fact that I can found this asilid from 10 am to 19 pm (even with strong heat as well, comapring with the P. marvaoensis who prefers to appear in final afternoon..) jorgemotalmeida attached the following image:  [187.74Kb] Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 20:41 |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 16-09-2014 20:28
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Little comment... you placed a picture with the top the front femur, please also add picture with top of front tibia. There are a lot of differences with P. marvaoensis and also with P. stukei. Besides article by Jonas you can have look here too: http://www.geller-grimm.de/parapha.htm#parapha Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-09-2014 20:32
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
I have his article. yes, I mistaked. Let's see if I have that photo... I doubt.. Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 20:38 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-09-2014 20:37
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
check it now.
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 16-09-2014 21:03
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Silly me, I was thinking Reinoud was refering to this spur pointed with the arrow. Something more similar to a Dasypogoninae spur 
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 16-09-2014 21:11
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Member Location: Viseu - PORTUGAL Posts: 9296 Joined: 05.06.06 |
he referred in TOP. See the conspicuous bristle-spur like above that spur? So now I am convinced more with a possible new species of Paraphamartania. Now we need to solve the another misterious asilid from Marvão I showed in the #11 post in this thread: http://www.dipter...ost_268832 Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 16-09-2014 22:48 |
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