Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Tachinid?
Posted by Juergen Peters on 29-10-2005 19:38
#1
Hello!
These flies with the size of house flies sunbathed on leaves at a woods edge in Ostwestfalen/Germany yesterday. I think, they are Tachinids, but I can't find which genus. Can anybody help me? Thanks!
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 30-10-2005 07:58
#2
Anyway we wait Theo.
Meanwhile I check myself.
M not bend to R, than it isn't Tachinida.
Posted by Zeegers on 30-10-2005 11:21
#3
Right, Nikita !
It is a Muscidae (or Anthomyiidae or Fannidae).
So it is not in my league.
Good luck !
Theo
Posted by Juergen Peters on 30-10-2005 18:59
#4
Hello!
Zeegers wrote:
It is a Muscidae (or Anthomyiidae or Fannidae).
Thanks Nikita and Theo! So it is another example that not all flies with thick, stiff hairs on the abdomen are Tachinidae...
Posted by Zeegers on 30-10-2005 20:01
#5
And vice versa: not all Tachinidae are very bristly (many exceptions in Phasiinae).
Nevertheless, to a Tachinologist's eye your flies are 'just' hairy and not really bristly !
The main point is the bend in vein M:
Virtually all Tachinidae have this bend (and virtually all Sarcophagidae and Calliphoridae),
and only a very few Muscidae that are easily recognized (Musca, Graphomyia and a few others).
Theo
Posted by Juergen Peters on 30-10-2005 20:08
#6
Hello, Theo!
Zeegers wrote:
The main point is the bend in vein M:
Virtually all Tachinidae have this bend (and virtually all Sarcophagidae and Calliphoridae), and only a very few Muscidae that are easily recognized (Musca, Graphomyia and a few others).
Yes, I know the importance of the wing venation for identification. I sometimes neglect it, because it is often not well recognizeable on my photos, especially when there are light reflexions on the wings.
Posted by Jan HC Velterop on 12-01-2010 23:24
#7
I would not be surprised if someone gives Helina evecta as ID. Look at the abdominal squarish spots on T3 + T4. I have also the impression of 4 postsutural DC bristles. Unluckily, the picture is not very clear. Jan HC Velterop
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 13-01-2010 18:26
#8
Five years !
I would not be surprised too (though the very similar but rarer
H. annosa can't be totally excluded). ;)