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No matter how hard I try, I simply am not key-compatible. This one keeps coming out as Tipula (Lunatipula), of which both have most in common with T. vernalis, although neither look like images elsewhere of female T. vernalis, or much like one another.

Basically I'm stuck. As usual.

The second individual was in a grassy verge of a path between oilseed rapefield and saltmarsh, the first was in a blackthorn hedge between oilseed rape and saltmarsh. About a hundred feet between the two, mostly because all the flies in between were too wary for me.

wingspan perhaps 20-25mm? not overlarge for a cranefly. Smaller than probable T. oleracea already up.

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and the tail end:

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And the more male-looking one:

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with his - also out of focus, sorry - rear end.

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No problem for vernalis ;)

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Thanks! Updating title and celebrating (quietly) at managing to use a key!