Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Anthomyiidae (female) > Delia <?> Botanophila
Posted by Maherjos on 16-12-2011 19:30
#1
Coastal area in southern Spain
Photograph taken on December 11, 2011, in the wetlands of the Suárez Pond, Motril, Granada, Spain.
Immediate area of the Mediterranean coast.
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Appreciate your cooperation for identification.
Best regards!
Edited by Maherjos on 17-12-2011 19:52
Posted by Maherjos on 16-12-2011 19:31
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Edited by Maherjos on 16-12-2011 19:33
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 16-12-2011 19:31
#3
Anthomyiidae.
Posted by Maherjos on 16-12-2011 19:38
#4
jorgemotalmeida wrote:
Anthomyiidae.
Thanks jorgemotalmedia.
Long time no see your comments.!
Best regards.
Posted by Michael Ackland on 17-12-2011 11:38
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A good photo showing most of the setae visible from this point of view. It is probably a female of either Delia or Botanophila.
The reason why it is not possible to even recognise the genus with certainty is that the characters used are:
Setae on ventral side of mid tibia, setulae on Vein C ventrally, number of setae on katepisternum, hairing on arista, etc.
None of these are visible in the photo unfortunately. In addition the structure of the ovipositor, especially the cerci, which are not visible
Except in a few cases the genera of Anthomyiidae do not have a specific appearance which will enable the genus or the species to be recognised. On the other hand a microphotograph of the male genitalia will identify most species as they are all different.
Posted by Maherjos on 17-12-2011 11:55
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Michael Ackland wrote:
A good photo showing most of the setae visible from this point of view. It is probably a female of either Delia or Botanophila.
The reason why it is not possible to even recognise the genus with certainty is that the characters used are:
Setae on ventral side of mid tibia, setulae on Vein C ventrally, number of setae on katepisternum, hairing on arista, etc.
None of these are visible in the photo unfortunately. In addition the structure of the ovipositor, especially the cerci, which are not visible
Except in a few cases the genera of Anthomyiidae do not have a specific appearance which will enable the genus or the species to be recognised. On the other hand a microphotograph of the male genitalia will identify most species as they are all different.
Thanks for your very detailed explanation, that their solegas, experts, sure appreciate better than me, I'm just ignorant in knowledge of identification.
I think I have other photographs of this same fly, among which I will try to find some better data containing identification.
And I will consider the indications for future encounters with this same fly.
Best regards from the south of Spain.
Posted by Michael Ackland on 17-12-2011 12:31
#7
I meant to add: I collected in Motril many years ago. There are some very interesting flies in S. Spain. If you can get to the Sierra Nevada Highway at 2270m you might find Pegoplata granadensis Michelsen, 1989. Go in August. On the southern slopes of the Sierra Nevada are some rare flies. Catch some and send to me!!
Posted by Maherjos on 17-12-2011 19:49
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Michael Ackland wrote:
I meant to add: I collected in Motril many years ago. There are some very interesting flies in S. Spain. If you can get to the Sierra Nevada Highway at 2270m you might find Pegoplata granadensis Michelsen, 1989. Go in August. On the southern slopes of the Sierra Nevada are some rare flies. Catch some and send to me!!
As far as I can, I'll take their advice.
Like the other photos I have are similar to those already shown, I cut up, with more detail on legs and abdomen. I'm not sure it's worth, but .... just in case.
Very grateful