Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Chloropid - Hippelates proboscideus
Posted by bradbarnd on 30-11-2011 10:10
#1
Am I correct that this is an Ephydrid? Can genus be told? Size is 2 mm. Collected at UV light, June 10 2011, Florida, USA.
Edit - I was wrong, it appears to be Chloropidae.
Edited by bradbarnd on 25-03-2012 02:04
Posted by bradbarnd on 30-11-2011 10:10
#2
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Posted by Jan Willem on 30-11-2011 11:37
#3
Looks more like Chloropidae to me!
Posted by bradbarnd on 30-11-2011 23:08
#4
Thanks Jan!
I ran it thru a Nearctic key and it seems to be either Hippelates sp. or, perhaps, Apallates sp. I think the face is jutting forward as in Hippelates, but I have nothing to compare against.
Posted by Sara21392 on 09-12-2011 13:42
#5
Tricimba sp. I think, dear friend! :)
Edited by Sara21392 on 09-12-2011 13:45
Posted by bradbarnd on 09-12-2011 22:20
#6
!!!, many thanks
Posted by Sara21392 on 10-12-2011 08:00
#7
Seems you are still doubtful. Ok, for sure I'll ask to an expert, if I be wrong, will say you!! :):)
Posted by bradbarnd on 12-12-2011 07:11
#8
Sara21392 wrote:
Seems you are still doubtful. Ok, for sure I'll ask to an expert, if I be wrong, will say you!! :):)
No, not doubtful, but excited that you gave me the correct ID! :D
Edited by bradbarnd on 12-12-2011 07:11
Posted by bradbarnd on 06-02-2012 03:00
#9
Question concerning this genus: are strong tibial spurs present on the hind tibia?
Posted by Sara21392 on 06-02-2012 20:29
#10
No, they don't have, did you find any strong spur on???
Posted by bradbarnd on 06-02-2012 20:50
#11
Yes, this has a strong spur on the hind tibiae.
Posted by Sara21392 on 06-02-2012 23:04
#12
Do you have more photos of that?
Posted by bradbarnd on 07-02-2012 05:00
#13
Yes, I took some more photos of hind leg, head, and thorax.
Posted by bradbarnd on 07-02-2012 05:01
#14
head
Posted by bradbarnd on 07-02-2012 05:02
#15
Thorax, dorsal view
Posted by Sara21392 on 07-02-2012 14:02
#16
Thank you very much for your notification, because your first pics didn't show this character anymore;
According these new pics and the key, I think this is
Arcuator genus. I don't have this species in my collection, and this is first time which I see that. :D :D
Would you please tell me some information about area that you found it? :)
Edit: I don't know about fauna of USA, It's better you check name of this genus in that list, and please tell me about result. thank you in advance. :)
Posted by Paul Beuk on 07-02-2012 16:05
#17
A species of the
Apallates dissidens group (according to the Manual of Nearctic Diptera).
Edited by Paul Beuk on 07-02-2012 16:06
Posted by Sara21392 on 07-02-2012 16:28
#18
Thank you so much Paul! Anyway is new one for me, I am wait for other information about this species! :D :D
Posted by bradbarnd on 07-02-2012 21:23
#19
Here is a link to Sabrosky's 1980 paper where he proposed the genus Apallates:
http://biostor.or...0a9675.pdf
Regarding collection info, these were found in southwest Florida in a residential area. There was a ditch nearby (probably always with water in it), with part of a golf-course behind that.
I have one specimen (this one) collected at UV light and four additional ones taken in a yellow pan trap.
I am not sure whether this is then Apallates or Hippelates.
Hippelates: "Facial carina well-developed but thin, separating distinct antennal grooves; lower marginal portion
of face warped forward, and vibrissal angle at least slightly forwardly produced anterior to eye; face concave in profile; ocellar bristles well-separated, erect and parallel or slightly convergent"
Apallates: "Facial carina at most weakly indicated on upper face, not distinctly separating antennal grooves; face not concave in profile; lower marginal portion of face not warped forward and vibrissal angle not produced anterior to eye; ocellar bristles relatively close together, erect and cruciate, at least at tips"
This fly has cruciate ocellar bristles (as in Apallates) but I would say the lower part of the face seems to be produced forward (as in Hippelates). In the paper linked to above, it is said that in Apallates the hind tibial spur is small where in this specimen it seems quite large.
I think if I had a copy of this paper (
http://pubs.esc-s...alCode=ent I could find out the answer. :)
Posted by Sara21392 on 09-02-2012 01:09
#20
Thank you very much for your information, which was very complete and useful;
Well, for sure it's better that you show your sample directly to a specialist, who can answer you perfectly.
Terry Wheeler is one of specialist in Canada and he knows fauna of USA as well, it's his email address:
terry.wheeler@mcgill.ca
Hopefully he will help you.
Just I'll be grateful to you in advance, if you type the result later, here! :)
Good luck
Edited by Sara21392 on 09-02-2012 01:35
Posted by bradbarnd on 22-03-2012 20:41
#21
Finally obtained a copy of Sabrosky's 1941 paper.
This fly keys to
Hippelates proboscideus Williston, 1896. Range is SE USA and Neotropical.
It is placed in the plebejus group by Sabrosky so I assume that would make this
Hippelates rather than
Apallates?
Edited by bradbarnd on 25-03-2012 02:03
Posted by Paul Beuk on 26-03-2012 13:23
#22
I think the length of the spur also would indicate
Hippelates. The description of
Apallates mentions it being as long as the tibial diameter or shorter.
Posted by bradbarnd on 28-03-2012 06:56
#23
Thanks Paul!