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Hejpodej,

found my first tachinids ever 28.4.2011. Pretty different in size and looks but I have a feeling if they both could still be Lypha dubia? At least time would be fitting. Espoo, southern Finland.

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Here is the another one.

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Jussi, just one species in one thread. Abouth the species ... Chris or Theo will tell You more :)

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OK, just had the feeling they would be the same species. I will be more careful in the future.

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Doesn't look like Lypha

COuld we get dorsal shots, please ?


Theo

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First one reminds me Phorocera obscura, and the second one Bothria subalpina, both females.

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They really look different but as I found them together (not copula though) I thought it might have been sexual diphormism. Too hasty.
Here are some poor dorsal shots(DOF problems) but I hope they might help. Thank you for your opinions already. In the same order

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And the other...

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I'm with Erikas


Theo

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Phorocera always fool me but the Bothria subalpina looks very familiar :)

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Really nice to get names for these, thank you! Yep, afterwards that Bothria seems to have some pretty revealing features(colourisation of different parts). I`ll try to spend more time finding fitting species next time.

Jussi

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Hi,

Are you guys sure about the first? The habitus does not fit to my impression of Phorocera (no shadow fold on m-vein, abdomen not domed enough for a female etc..) and importantly for obscura the depression on the tergite 2 reaches the margin! There are not that many possibilities, a closeup on the head would be great.

Jussi: No stress, tachinids are not trivial to id and some species do have quite outstanding sexual dimorphism. Just keep posting, nice to see stuff from Finland.

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After chatting with Jussi, Cyzenis albicans/jucunda is a likely candidate for the first one. Maybe albicans as the dusting on the tergites is not so well defined.