Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Possible Suillia species for identification
Posted by Bruce Williams on 29-09-2010 13:53
#1
Stony Stratford, Bucks (UK), 22nd September 2010. On old wooden fence below willow, ash and sycamore. Grazing cattle and water close by.
Would appreciate help with identification (unfortunately this is the only pic I have so no dorsal view):
Bruce :)
Edited by Bruce Williams on 29-09-2010 14:03
Posted by rvanderweele on 29-09-2010 14:21
#2
S. affinis
Posted by Bruce Williams on 29-09-2010 17:56
#3
Thanks for your help Ruud - much appreciated.
Bruce
Posted by blowave on 30-09-2010 22:58
#4
Could anyone tell me what separates Suillia affinis from other Suillia species? That is, what is specific to this species which other Suilia sp. do not have.
I find Bruce's fly looks different to the one I had which is also S. affinis, the main differences being the bristles on the hind femur and the many bristles on the ventral area between legs 1 and 2.
Could this be a difference between males and females? I'm trying to learn what I should be looking for so would appreciate any help with this.
Janet :)
Posted by rvanderweele on 01-10-2010 06:58
#5
It is not possible to give 1 characteristic, which is affinis separating from all other species of affinis. It is rather a combination. Affinis is rather common.
the sides of the thorax (mesopleuron etc) is bristle-free.
the arista of the antenna is long plumose
the animal is fairly large, but as large as gigantea, which is 9-13mm. Affinis is between 5-9mm.
In order to be sure it is not umbratica I check the colours of the bristles on the back-side of the head near the neck. If they are yellowish it is affinis.
Posted by rvanderweele on 01-10-2010 07:04
#6
Janet, try to get the key of P. Withers. Proc. Trans. Br. Ent. Nat. Hist. Soc. 20, 1987. It is very handy and it will be quite easy to separate the common species of Suillia.
Posted by Andrzej on 01-10-2010 11:35
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Add please also this one: Keys to The Insects of The European Part of The USSR. Diptera and Siphonaptera (Keys to the Fauna of the USSR S.), part 2. G. Ya. Bei-Bienko editor. Publisher: Brill (Dec 1989).
The Suillia key is at following pages: 529-537 !.
but:
S. nudipes Czerny is
S. flavifrons and
S. flavifrons sensu Gorodkov is
S. parva Loew.
Andrzej
Posted by blowave on 01-10-2010 13:29
#8
Thank you Ruud and Andrzej!
That is a good start to my learning about these, I will see if I can find the reference works mentioned either online or secondhand books listed online.
Posted by blowave on 01-10-2010 15:05
#9
Well, I found the one you mentioned Ruud, but there's a full bound set from 1952 to 2001 of 50 volumes. If anyone wants to spend £250 I would say it's a good find! Item no. B1907
http://www.pemboo...sed01.html
Alas Andrzej, I only found the first edition of The Insects of The European Part of The USSR, both in Russian and translated versions. It would be good to have that too, and the cost is not so bad but too much for me. Someone else might be interested though, from Abe Books.
http://www.abeboo...7&y=19
(got the wrong link)
Edited by blowave on 01-10-2010 15:13
Posted by cyprinoid on 01-10-2010 16:38
#10
Why not pm Mr. Withers and he might send you a copy of the key ;)
Posted by rvanderweele on 01-10-2010 16:53
#11
Indeed! It is easy to get a copy. The article is not too big
Posted by Andrzej on 01-10-2010 17:00
#12
read it: http://books.google.com/books?id=dsoUAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA510&lpg=PA510&dq=Gorodkov+helomyzidae&source=bl&ots=FjvfZJn9f_&sig=PMMQipB1k5q0iiCUxMhMzOV0TdM&hl=pl&ei=GAWmTIv3N83Nswba-eSxCA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBcQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Gorodkov%20helomyzidae&f=false !
Sorry but I have this one in Russian only ;)
Andrzej
Edited by Andrzej on 01-10-2010 17:02
Posted by blowave on 01-10-2010 17:20
#13
That's not a bad idea Hyperbolizer! Hi Phil, if you wouldn't mind sending me a copy it would be much appreciated! :D
Andrzej, brilliant! I found it on google books in English!!!!!
http://books.goog...mp;f=false
Edited by blowave on 01-10-2010 17:20
Posted by phil withers on 01-10-2010 19:02
#14
I'll see what I can muster...
Posted by blowave on 01-10-2010 19:36
#15
phil withers wrote:
I'll see what I can muster...
If it's not too much trouble, thanks! I have just snipped 56 pages from the keys on google books, of course some of it overlaps. I need to trim off the unnecessary stuff on the pages, they are copied to my Pictures location in jpeg so I can place them all in one folder and view in succession. :D