Thread subject: Diptera.info :: a strange fly

Posted by shililauxaniid on 21-03-2010 11:23
#1

who can help me identifly it ?
only a specimen from Yunnan,southern China.

Posted by shililauxaniid on 21-03-2010 11:25
#2

who can help me identify it?

Posted by shililauxaniid on 21-03-2010 11:26
#3

who can help me identify it?

Posted by shililauxaniid on 21-03-2010 11:31
#4

who can help me identifly it?
but the picture is not clear.

Posted by rvanderweele on 21-03-2010 11:52
#5

I guess it is a Diopsidae, but which genus?

Posted by socrates on 21-03-2010 13:53
#6

otitid perhaps?

Posted by JariF on 21-03-2010 14:44
#7

Or Diopsidae ?

Jari

Posted by shililauxaniid on 22-03-2010 01:04
#8

thanks, my friend. But it d:)oesn't belong to Diospidae.

Posted by Paul Beuk on 22-03-2010 08:48
#9

Thinking along the line of Periscelididae but unfortunately I don't have any reference works covering the Oriental region here... Can you a manage a clearer view of the wing venation?

Posted by rvanderweele on 22-03-2010 09:39
#10

I am very curious then what family it is!

Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 22-03-2010 11:08
#11

Paul seems right, probably Periscelididae. Last year I collected 2 specimens of this or very near flies in Thailand, Surat Thani prov, on shadow vegetation under small silty brook.
I gave its to Andrey Ozerv, but he currently interesting nothing exept Scathophogidae. Andrey, am I right or not?

Posted by Dmitry Gavryushin on 22-03-2010 13:43
#12

Maybe Drosophilidae, something like Mulgravea asiatica (Okada, 1964)? Of similarities, lateral dark spots on mesonotum match quite well.

Edited by Dmitry Gavryushin on 22-03-2010 13:46

Posted by Paul Beuk on 22-03-2010 14:39
#13

I have not been able to locate an image of Mulgravea on the net (at least in the image search) and my papers do not cover the genus. The images above are not nearly clear enough to show the head setae, but either that or the wing venation should make things a lot clearer.

Posted by shililauxaniid on 23-03-2010 07:18
#14

I took another series of photos,
wing C with two broken, anal nearly absent,
male genetalia: tips with a row of smallblack teeth

Posted by shililauxaniid on 23-03-2010 07:21
#15

male genetalia

Posted by shililauxaniid on 23-03-2010 07:28
#16

wing

Posted by shililauxaniid on 23-03-2010 07:31
#17

head

Posted by shililauxaniid on 23-03-2010 07:32
#18

head

Posted by shililauxaniid on 23-03-2010 07:35
#19

I check the key ,maybe Drosophilidae
give my sincere thanks to everyone here.
:)

Posted by Paul Beuk on 23-03-2010 10:05
#20

Black, I think you are right in Mulgravea (though I cannot see the chracteristic drosophilid fronto-orbaital setae), but it certainly is not asiatica, as that should have a completely black abdomen. None of the other species have been reported from China. De & Gupta (1995) described four species from Bhutan, but none of these fits the images above. The only remaining species described form the Asian continent ranipoorensis from India is a no-fit, too. Closest appears to be neoasiatica from the Malaysian Peninsula. So, might well be a new species. :D

Posted by Cranefly on 23-03-2010 10:17
#21

Vasilij Sidorenko wrote me: This fly is one of few Drosophilidae with broaded head. Sometimes head may be normal. Distributed from Ryukyu to Java and Shri-Lanka. Mulgravea asiatica (Okada, 1964).

Edited by Cranefly on 23-03-2010 10:49

Posted by Paul Beuk on 23-03-2010 10:48
#22

Paul Beuk wrote:
... but it certainly is not asiatica, as that should have a completely black abdomen.

As is clear from the first and fourth image in the thread. Can Vasilij then confirm that this species is variable in this respect? If so, the key provided by De & Gupta (1995)uses an invalid character to separate asiatica and neoasiatica..

Posted by Cranefly on 23-03-2010 10:52
#23

I think you are now better expert for you have checked species-keys.
Who will descibe new species?????;)

Posted by shililauxaniid on 23-03-2010 12:25
#24

thank you very much.
only a specimen(male),so I will collect more specimens and then have a chance to describe and illustrate them. But now I concentrate on Lauxaniidae

:)

Posted by Cranefly on 23-03-2010 12:54
#25

V.Sidorenko wrote that he had seen many material of M.asiatica from Taiwan. Neoasiatica differs from it by description – it is smaller and head metallic-blue. As for coloration of abdomen – this character vary. It may be light in young specimens and dark in others. He couldn’t write himself for his address is blocked. I hope I am good interpreter.

Posted by Paul Beuk on 23-03-2010 16:43
#26

Thanks!

If he wants to register at the site, let me know (by PM) what address he uses and I'll create the account for him. Unfortunately there have been too many spam accounts registred with some ***.ru email address extensions to leave it open for automatic registration.

Posted by shililauxaniid on 24-03-2010 00:23
#27

Dear Cranefly, take my sincere thanks to V.Sidorenko.
Express thanks to everyone here.
When I am free, I will take a beatiful and clear photo for the specimens, and then keep it in gallery.
I give thanks to Paul, an excellent administrator:)