Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Coelopidae; Malacomyia sciomyzina...ID'd by G.Pennards / S.Lebrun

Posted by Roger Thomason on 29-10-2009 00:41
#1

Looks like C.pilipes, but legs and top of head seem to be different colour from previous finds....maybe something else altogether????
Only 1 photo. Maybe even a Sphaerocerid ?

EDIT; Changed Heading, Was: Coelopa pilipes??

Edited by Roger Thomason on 31-10-2009 09:28

Posted by KWQ on 29-10-2009 18:39
#2

I've once seen a coelopid under a microscope (in our fauna the only species is Coelopa frigida though), and it resembled a sphaerocerid. And wouldn't pilipes suggest more hairy legs?

This one brings first the genus Scathophaga to my mind.

Posted by KWQ on 29-10-2009 19:05
#3

But on the second look I rather think that the head and the antenna are not particularly "scathophagidish"...

I'll give up and leave this to the "pundits".

Posted by Roger Thomason on 30-10-2009 01:32
#4

Hi Kaj, you say C.frigida is the only one recorded in Finland. This was supposed to be the case with Shetland also, but I have found C.pilipes here also (See similar threads at bottom of page). I have only seen males before and wondered if this was maybe a female of the species?? Odd looking fly though, sort of cross between Coelopidae, Sphaeroceridae with a bit of Scathophagidae thrown in too.
Maybe someone will come up with an ID....?

Regards Roger

Edited by Roger Thomason on 30-10-2009 01:33

Posted by Roger Thomason on 30-10-2009 14:47
#5

Sorry to be a bore with this thread, but, too windy for flies here at the moment :|.
Don't suppose it could be Heterocheilidae: Heterocheila buccata which I have seen at Scatsta Airport before. I put some photo's in the Gallery last year, it looks similar?????

Here are a couple more photo's taken last year which I have assumed to be H.buccata for comparison

Posted by Roger Thomason on 30-10-2009 14:47
#6

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Posted by Gerard Pennards on 30-10-2009 15:04
#7

Hey Rogaldine! :D
If the last picture is the same individual it's easy, because that's a Heleomyzidae.
If not, it might be the third species of the family Coelopidae, and that one's called Malacomyia sciomyzina!
Greetings

Posted by Roger Thomason on 30-10-2009 16:20
#8

Hey Geraldine
What are you doing on here..you should be up to your neck in nappies....skiving huh.
Those are 3 different flies taken at Scatsta at various times. I assumed (wrongly again) that they were all the same kind...confusion reigns again. In fact looking at the last last picture, that was taken on my greenhouse and is a Heleomyzidae..(MIS-FILED).please disregard that one, I'm an idiot :|..Anyone know if it is M.sciomyzina.
Another crap day in Shetland....wind/rain :|

Roger :)

Edited by Roger Thomason on 30-10-2009 16:23

Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 30-10-2009 23:02
#9

Fly 1 : for sure Coelopidae. The thoracic dorsum seems not flat, the frons is rufous as the abdomen partially, the scutellum is triangular, not short : I think it is Malacomyia sciomyzina as Gerard suggested.
Fly 2: should be Heterocheila buccata (mouth edge not protruding here, so not Coelopidae).
Fly 3 : I think Heleomyzidae too (a well visible costal break, so not Coelopidae, Heterocheleidae or Helcomyzidae).

Posted by Roger Thomason on 31-10-2009 01:36
#10

Thanks Stephane for confirming Gerard's suggestion, (Good spot Gerard)..another unrecorded species for Shetland.
Didn't think I'd seen this one before :).

Regards Roger :)