Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Trichinomyia flavipes (Many thanks Paul)
Posted by cyprinoid on 04-09-2009 19:09
#1
Norway, 04.09, I guess 3 mm
Edited by cyprinoid on 07-09-2009 18:05
Posted by cyprinoid on 04-09-2009 19:10
#2
and dorsal view
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 04-09-2009 19:16
#3
Hybotidae. Very nice. ;)
Posted by Paul Beuk on 04-09-2009 19:18
#4
Trichinomyia flavipes
Posted by cyprinoid on 04-09-2009 21:02
#5
Thank you, according to wikipedia only T. fuscipes is registered in Norway.
How would you tell the two apart? I have pics of a different specimen with shiny wings, it might be different lighting, though.
Edited by cyprinoid on 04-09-2009 21:16
Posted by Paul Beuk on 04-09-2009 22:31
#6
LoL, I need to check. I thought we only had one European species. ;)
Posted by cyprinoid on 05-09-2009 08:39
#7
Here's a pic of the ones I see with shinier wings.. again it might be the light that day
Edited by cyprinoid on 05-09-2009 08:42
Posted by Jan Willem on 05-09-2009 10:08
#8
According to Fauna Europaea both species are known from Norway.
Posted by cyprinoid on 05-09-2009 18:01
#9
I forgot to check there :| Thanks Jan
But how to tell them apart? Does anyone know?
Posted by Paul Beuk on 07-09-2009 08:25
#10
I'll check in my handbook, when I can find the box in which I have stored it...
Posted by Stephen R on 07-09-2009 09:47
#11
Just from the name, wouldn't
fuscipes have darker legs? Or is this too naive?
Stephen.
Posted by cyprinoid on 07-09-2009 11:48
#12
I am now 100% sure there are 2 "types" as I have seen both side by side yesterday:
type 1: (pic 1 & 2) clear wings abdomen shorter (longer wings?) than type 2.
type 2: golden wings, maybe thinker antennae?
Could it be sexual differences?
Also I tried to compare wing venation (pic 2) with
Trichinomyia flavipes here: http://www.mapress.com/zootaxa/2006f/zt01180p172.pdf, did not look right to me, but as you know I am a clod.
I changed the title as the matter is not solved.
Posted by Paul Beuk on 07-09-2009 12:21
#13
All are males, so no sexual difference. Most of the visible differences between the second and third image are due to orientation. The third image was taken slightly more from the side, resulting in a different reflection on the wings (age might also influce that, by the way) and apparently thicker antennae. All specimens are
T. flavipes.
Trichinomyia fuscipes indeed has darker legs and should have a brightly shining mesonotum. On these images a weak dusting is visible. It also is smaller than
flavipes but thatwill not show up in the images ;)
The only 'issue' I might have with the wing as depicted in the pdf and that as shown in the images is the apparently lack of an anal vein in the printed illustration. The anal vein is weakly sclerotised and not darkened and thus will not show up very easily on photo's taken from flattened wings on microscope slides. Your images show all the structural details made visible by lighting from the side, including the fold of the anal vein.
Posted by cyprinoid on 07-09-2009 13:41
#14
Thanks Paul.
I need to say that I am 110% sure there's much more to the difference in colour than the orentation vs light, no matter which angle: they still are either brown/golden or trensparent. You mention age as a possibility, it makes sense I guess.
I noticed that this one from yesterday has yellow hairs on the scutellum and is generally much lighter, is it a female? (Different positioning of the eyes?)
Edited by cyprinoid on 07-09-2009 13:50
Posted by Paul Beuk on 07-09-2009 13:58
#15
It is a female (eyes narrowly separated) and it appears to be relatively freshly emerged as the abdominal segments are more greyish than black, too. Thge chances are that the colours will all become darker later on and that the reflection on the wings will increase. Also note that it quite often happens that males emerge before females, so you might just be witnessing this. First pictures are males and the later ones also include females, some of which are indeed freshly emerged. Yeah, I know, too good to be true. :P
Posted by cyprinoid on 07-09-2009 17:49
#16
Thank you for taking the trouble!