Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Angioneura acerba (conf. Theo Zeegers)
Posted by javanerkelens on 21-07-2009 21:18
#1
Date: 21 july 2009 Beulaker Giethoorn Netherlands
When i saw the photo at first, i was thinking at Fanniidae, but it has hairs on the meron and M1 is upcurved,.....so, is it Tachinidae or....
Joke van Erkelens
Edited by javanerkelens on 24-07-2009 16:21
Posted by javanerkelens on 21-07-2009 21:19
#2
Photo 2
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 21-07-2009 22:11
#3
If no postscutellum, I can suggest you to search around Eggisops pecchiollii ( an weird idea).
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 21-07-2009 22:16
#4
what Stéphane?? :| Weird name for a calliphorid!
Posted by javanerkelens on 21-07-2009 22:25
#5
postscutellum is present (little thickend)
Joke
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 21-07-2009 22:25
#6
Yes, I think to a Calliphorid in Melanomyiinae because of the resemblance with female
Melanomyia /Morinia, but I no longer think at
Eggisops, maybe
Angioneura ?
Could it be ?
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 21-07-2009 22:27
#7
Ok Joke, so it was really weird. :o
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 21-07-2009 22:32
#8
with postscutellum things turn even more weird! :|
Costa is very spiny as well.
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 21-07-2009 22:32
Posted by javanerkelens on 21-07-2009 22:33
#9
I have looked at some Callip / Tachi...for the postscutellum, but a little difficult to see...looks more like Calliphoridae.
:o
Joke
Edited by javanerkelens on 21-07-2009 22:34
Posted by javanerkelens on 21-07-2009 22:45
#10
Upper radial node with setulae (one seta as long as half flagellomere, shorter one before)
Joke
Posted by ChrisR on 22-07-2009 08:45
#11
It certainly doesn't look like any tachinid I have seen ... but that's not a good guide ... if it has a subscutellum then it becomes very interesting :)
The subscutellum should be a small, smoothly-rounded bulge under the scutellum. Don't be confused by the way that the thorax on all flies protrudes to where the abdomen attaches.
I took some photos that you might find useful
here :)
Posted by javanerkelens on 22-07-2009 09:34
#12
Mostly i don't look for the subscutellum, only for some hairs..:D
I made some photo's, so i hope this wil bring some light in the darkness...
Joke
Posted by javanerkelens on 22-07-2009 09:35
#13
photo 2
Posted by javanerkelens on 22-07-2009 12:39
#14
So ..Angioneura sp. could be possible
Only A.acerba known from the Netherlands
Joke
Posted by Zeegers on 22-07-2009 16:34
#15
It is really something special.
I understand the suggestion of Angioneura.
I see relatively strong apical scutellar bristles, so I'm still in doubt.
I would really need to check the postscutellum myself.
Joke, would it be possible to send the specimen ?
If so, send me a PM for address
Theo
Posted by javanerkelens on 22-07-2009 17:47
#16
Done !
Joke
Posted by Zeegers on 24-07-2009 16:10
#17
So I'd like to nominate Stephane for the best ID of the year,
I've seen the specimen just now and it is indeed, a female of Angioneura acerba.
Great find and great pictures, please submit to gallery
Theo
Posted by javanerkelens on 24-07-2009 16:18
#18
SUPER !!
Only have to find the male now..
And Theo.....many thanks !!!
Joke:D
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 24-07-2009 16:23
#19
Congrats!! :D
In which kind of habitat you found this one?
Posted by javanerkelens on 24-07-2009 16:38
#20
Found on old farmersland, that has been run wild by all sorts of grass and plants....a great place to find all sorts of flies...
Joke
Posted by pierred on 24-07-2009 20:11
#21
Stéphane,
Mes félicitations, mon vieux !!
[translation] Congrats, old chap[/translation]