Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Dilophus?

Posted by christoophe on 10-05-2009 15:56
#1

Hello
size 3-4 mm
Thank you for help

specimen 1

Posted by christoophe on 10-05-2009 15:57
#2

specimen 2

Posted by christoophe on 13-05-2009 12:26
#3

Perhaps Dilophus femoratus?

Posted by pierred on 02-06-2009 06:28
#4

Theo?
Is this correct?

Posted by Paul Beuk on 02-06-2009 06:33
#5

No, this is one of the other Dilophus species, as this female does not have darkened wings.

Posted by Zeegers on 02-06-2009 18:40
#6

Stop.

First of all, D. femoratus has (nearly) clear wings. It is febrilis, that has darkened wings.
Second, my guess is that the first specimen has darkened wings -> febrilis
Thirdly, the second one does not, so it is another species and thus another specimen(right ?)
femoratus-group, possibly femoratus


Theo

Posted by christoophe on 02-06-2009 19:31
#7

Yes theo, you are right, I made an error in this post by putting these two different specimens.
Moreover the second is really bigger than the first one, approximately 5 mm.
Thank Theo for the the precision.

Posted by Paul Beuk on 02-06-2009 20:17
#8

I think the first one does not have darkened wings and, AFAIK, febrilis has completely dark legs in the female.

Posted by christoophe on 02-06-2009 20:43
#9

Another photo of the first specimen.

Posted by Zeegers on 03-06-2009 20:52
#10

Leg coloration tends to be very variable in many Bibionidae
(though agreed, not all).

The wing is distinctly darkened, so it really must be febrilis.
I'll check my collection
Theo

Posted by Zeegers on 04-06-2009 21:17
#11

so, I did, and I must say, Paul has a point.

IN all my females febrilis, the front (and other) legs are black, whereas in all femoratus they are clearly reddish.

So looks like it is femoratus, in which case I have been fooled in the wing colouration (ie. it is not darkened).


Theo

Posted by Colobo on 07-06-2009 16:06
#12

Sorry, but first specimen is neither febrilis, which has always entirely black legs and dark abdomen, nor femoratus which has milky white wings.
I would incline for antipedalis : the female has more or less darkened wing membrane, anterior femora and coxa rufous yellow, a transverse row of large spines on anterior tibia and abdominal sternites clearly lighter than tergites. D. antipedalis is a west-mediterranean species (and this specimen was apparently photographed in Provence).
The second specimen is not recognizable in my opinion because of the poor quality of the picture.

Posted by christoophe on 16-07-2009 12:01
#13

up

Posted by Paul Beuk on 16-07-2009 12:30
#14

What more do you need? Unless you have specimens I guess there will be no change in ID's

Posted by pierred on 16-07-2009 18:03
#15

Colobo,
According to Fauna Europaea, D. antipedalis is only present in Spain mainland, Portugal, Sardinia, Balearic is. For one time, the territory seems coherent (this is not always the case). I know that Christoophe lives in the south, but not so far away.

Edited by pierred on 16-07-2009 18:04