Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Heleomyzidae and Stratiomyidae
Posted by WolfiG on 24-03-2009 11:40
#1
Hello everyone!
i am new.
is it possible to identify this flies?
http://gallery.ku...emId=29607
the first i think is a muscidae, the last a stratiomyidae.
thx
Wolfi
Edited by WolfiG on 24-03-2009 14:37
Posted by Jan Willem on 24-03-2009 12:27
#2
Hello Wolfgang,
The first one belongs to the family Heleomyzidae. You could change the subject to attract the attention of the heleomyzid-specialists.
Posted by Andrzej on 24-03-2009 16:41
#3
1.2 = male o
f Suillia cf. umbratica
Posted by katerina dvorakova on 24-03-2009 18:44
#4
Hi Wolfi and Andrzej,
I think Suillia affinis, because antenae are not darkened enough, and there are 30-30 seta at the scutellum.
Katka
Posted by Andrzej on 24-03-2009 20:22
#5
Hi !,
and what about the supracervical setulae ?
Dark or yellow :-) ?
P.S.
The number of scutellar hairs is not a good character for ID to the species level !
Edited by Andrzej on 24-03-2009 20:48
Posted by katerina dvorakova on 24-03-2009 22:37
#6
Hi,
this diagnostic follows Papps' key. I have seen plenty of specimen of both species and I am sure, that this diagnostic mark is correct and useful.
Katka
Posted by Andrzej on 24-03-2009 23:08
#7
Dear Katerina.
You wrote: ... 30-30 seta at the scutellum! and plenty....
For a while I verified five specimens , one from Poland, two from Russia and two from Turkey !.
The number of setulae varied from 26-33 on each of sides !.
Did you translate and verify the Papp key correctly ?
Best wishes,
Andrzej
P.S.
I awas not convinced if it was
S. umbratica but I cannot agree with your arguments !
Edited by Andrzej on 24-03-2009 23:12
Posted by WolfiG on 25-03-2009 08:37
#8
Hello1
thanks for all answers so far.