Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Sarcophaga carnaria?
Posted by Muhammad Mahdi on 09-01-2009 15:41
#1
Hi
Is it a Sarcophaga carnaria? It was on a brick structure in Dar es Salaam. About 15mm long.
Posted by ChrisR on 09-01-2009 17:55
#2
It would be impossible to say for sure which species it was if it was a
Sarcophaga because we'd usually need to see the male genitalia. However, this doesn't look like
Sarcophaga to me if the genitalia on this really are red.
Posted by Muhammad Mahdi on 09-01-2009 18:06
#3
The genitalia were red, sticking out like plums. See attached picture for the colour.
Posted by Tony Irwin on 09-01-2009 19:05
#4
S.carnaria has black genitalia, so it's not that species. It looks as though it might be in the subgenus
Bercaea (very similar to
Sarcophaga (
Bercaea)
africa, but the antennae are a different colour) - see
http://www.dipter...to_id=2592
Posted by Xespok on 09-01-2009 19:08
#5
Sarcophaga sp male I think. But not Sarcophaga (Sarcophaga) carnaria. Sarcophaga (Sarcophaga) sp to my knowledge never have red genitalia. Check if Sarcophaga (Bercaea) africa is shown in the gallery, maybe it will be similar to this.
Posted by Muhammad Mahdi on 09-01-2009 19:42
#6
Tony, you are saying the fly is in the genus Sarcophaga and sub genus Bercaea?
Xespok I didn;t quite get you. Can you please repeat:)
Thanks to everyone for helping :D
Posted by Tony Irwin on 09-01-2009 21:43
#7
Muhammad Mahdi wrote:
Tony, you are saying the fly is in the genus Sarcophaga and sub genus Bercaea?
Yes, that's right. I don't know what other species might be in your area, but I'm fairly certain that this is in
Sarcophaga s.g.
Bercaea
Posted by Muhammad Mahdi on 10-01-2009 08:25
#8
Thanks.
The image below was the best I got of its genitalia
Posted by Xespok on 10-01-2009 09:01
#9
You have to turn it out. When the fly is soft open the genitalia out with a needle.
Posted by Muhammad Mahdi on 10-01-2009 09:08
#10
I have to kill the fly?:(
Posted by ChrisR on 10-01-2009 10:39
#11
Muhammad Mahdi wrote:
I have to kill the fly?:(
Yes ... that's one of the main reasons why people collect and kill insects - to examine parts that are not visible on photos :)
The problem with a lot of sarcophagids (and many other Diptera) is that externally different species look identical. However, the internal parts of the male genitalia are very characteristic. What you see in the photo is the genital capsule - the hard parts that protect his "important" bits inside and it's those internal parts we need to see to be sure of an identification :)
It doesn't mean you *have* to kill flies to study them. But it does mean that if you don't then you have to accept that you will have a lot of photos where you can only be sure of the genus or tribe ... or "it might be species X or species Y" etc. But if your curiosity grows and you have a project where you need to know (ie. if you are making a species list for a nature reserve etc.) then making a collection isn't difficult and will open up a huge and fascinating world of Diptera taxonomy and genuinely scientific research. :)
Edited by ChrisR on 10-01-2009 10:43
Posted by Muhammad Mahdi on 10-01-2009 12:11
#12
Thanks for the info.
I think I am not ready yet, but maybe as you mention, sometime in the furture. :)
Posted by Jan HC Velterop on 23-10-2009 16:41
#13
I cannot agree with S.(Bercaea). I would rather think of Sarcophaga (Engelisca) nodosa, which I found locally very numerous, although I did not catch them at the wall of the presidential palace. This one has strong marginal bristles on the red genital segment, as nodosa. S.(E.) nodosa shows also reddisch antennae as Tony correctly states.. Jan H.C.Velterop, Enschede.