Thread subject: Diptera.info :: 2x Phaonia? -> P. rufiventris and ?

Posted by Michael Becker on 01-11-2008 07:23
#1
Hello,

what flies are these two. I found them beginning of october in a forest region near Cologne. Length was about 8 or 9mm. Perhaps genus Phaonia?

Thanks,
Michael
Edited by Michael Becker on 02-11-2008 06:36

Posted by Michael Becker on 01-11-2008 07:24
#2
Here is the 2nd. Phaonia valida?

Posted by Juergen Peters on 01-11-2008 21:20
#3
Hello, Michael!

The first one should be a female Phaonia rufiventris.
http://insektenfo...ufiventris

Posted by Michael Becker on 02-11-2008 06:35
#4
Thanks!

Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 02-11-2008 18:39
#5
The second fly could be Phaonia valida indeed, but I can't really see whether the vein M is somewhat bent apically (it could be tricky on picture), whether occipital hairs are reddish in lower part... (so it could be P. errans too). ;)

Posted by Michael Becker on 03-11-2008 20:39
#6
Thank you for your answers. Phaonia valida and Phaonia errans is really tricky.

Michael