Thread subject: Diptera.info :: 3x Phaonia? --> 1x Phaonia valida, 2x Helina impuncta
Posted by Juergen Peters on 24-09-2008 22:03
#1
Hello!
When I do not remember the size exactly any more, I am getting problems of distinguishing
Phaonia valida from other, smaller species. I think the rather big (12 mm) fly in this post is
P. valida, right? Are the two in the postings below
P. angelicae. They were smaller - if I remember correctly... :|. All photos from September-18 to 21, at a hedge, northwest Germany.
Edited by Juergen Peters on 24-09-2008 22:25
Posted by Juergen Peters on 24-09-2008 22:03
#2
Phaonia angelicae #1?
Posted by Juergen Peters on 24-09-2008 22:04
#3
Phaonia angelicae #2?
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 24-09-2008 22:16
#4
1. could be
Phaonia valida indeed.
2 & 3 are
Helina impuncta.
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 24-09-2008 22:20
#5
3. are Helina impuncta
1. could be Phaonia valida indeed
2. I'd say Ph.errans
Nikita
Posted by Juergen Peters on 24-09-2008 22:22
#6
Hello, Stephane!
Stephane Lebrun wrote:
1. could be Phaonia valida indeed.
2 & 3 are Helina impuncta.
Uhhh,
Helina... Why must the flies in that genus so different...? ;) Thanks!
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 24-09-2008 22:36
#7
Nikita said :
2. I'd say Ph.errans
I see prac, abdomen without shifting patterns...
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 24-09-2008 22:57
#8
scutellum is red apicaly, doesn't it?
Nikita
Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 25-09-2008 14:00
#9
Yes, that's regular for female
Helina impuncta, as for slightly darkened crossveins (my specimens are like this too).