Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Sarcophaga jeanleclercqi ?

Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 04-05-2008 15:58
#1

Could this aedeagus belong to Sarcophaga (Sarcophaga) jeanleclercqi ? Or simply a S. variegata (or something else) ?

Taken at Le Havre , North of France, May 3, 2008 on meadow near a little wood.
Size : 10 mm.


Thanks in advance.

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 04-05-2008 16:49
#2

did you use a loup? Which do you have? :D

Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 04-05-2008 16:58
#3

Just my Coolpix 4500 ! I know they are not Tony's pictures but I only hope it will be sufficient to recognize the species...

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 04-05-2008 17:04
#4

with coolpix 4500 only? :o that's magic! :D

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 04-05-2008 17:08
#5

I dare to say that this aedegus remember to me in some way the inner human hear! :o

Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 06-05-2008 22:08
#6

I add the whole fly picture.

Posted by Liekele Sijstermans on 09-05-2008 08:33
#7

This might be S. (S.) jeanleclercqi indeed.

Pape (on internet "Phylogenetic analysis of Sarcophaga (sensu stricto)") gives drawings of most species of Sarcophaga sensu stricto that are known from France. His drawing of jeanleclercqi matches more ore less with these images of the genitalia. He does not give genitalia of zumptiana, but these are clearly different from jeanleclercqi and variegata.

The images do not match with drawing of Pape of S. (S.) variegata, but other authors (like Povolny & Verves) give drawings that are less precise, suggesting a less restricted concept of variegata.

Pape says about Sarcophaga s.s. that "this is possibly a species-swarm in the midst of active speciation" and announces a publication with additional species of Europe.

I do not have S. jeanleclercqi in my collection, so I can't compare it.
But we should have a second look at specimens identified as S. variegata.

Liekele

Posted by Stephane Lebrun on 09-05-2008 10:12
#8

Thank you very much Liekele ! :)
My assumptions came from these drawings. Under lens, the distiphallus is quite similar (broad stylus shape, same upcurved harpe, rather sclerotised vesica and also this typical wrinkled juxta). So I'm very happy to heard your opinion.
I join another picture taken under lens (poor photo again ;) , but we can see the wrinkled juxta).

Kind regards.

Posted by cthirion on 09-05-2008 11:27
#9

To laugh a little... il has there a species which was dedicated to me by LEHRER

Leclercqiomyia thirionae, a fly which attends the dejections, I think fortunately that it became a synonym!:D;)

Posted by Jan HC Velterop on 23-10-2009 16:08
#10

I agree fully with Liekeles ID. I have some dozen specimina in my collection. One of them is identified by Lehrer in 1993 as "S. jeanleclercqi". I catched it in the Morvan. The species is not rare in the Alps, occurring also in the Italian Trentino. I met it the first time in 1969 in the swiss Jura, then in 1970 in the belgian province of Luxemburg. In the field I have not found any distinguishing characters. Jan H.C. Velterop.