Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Tabanidae - male - north-western France > Atylotus rusticus
Posted by BLecaplain on 11-08-2025 08:27
#1
Hello,
I have this male, caught near a lake in western France.
First of all, I'm not sure about the genus...
Eyes clearly haired, no tubercle on vertex between eyes like in
Hybomitra.
In north western France, if it's a
Tabanus it's
nemoralis (upper eye facets clearly enlarged) but antenna are yellow (black in
nemoralis). Colour of eyes seem to be not as
Atylotus (dark here).
So an
Hybomitra for me.
- Long hairs on first antennal segment.
- Angle between lower margins of eyes : 90°
-
bimaculata have facets of same size
- Upper facets clearly larger than lower facet
muehlfedli excluded and
distinguendahave yellow hairs on first tergite, blak here) =
solstitialis
Benoît
Edited by BLecaplain on 15-08-2025 14:08
Posted by Zeegers on 11-08-2025 15:42
#2
Notopleural is dark, so can't be solstitialis.
To be honest, looks more like an Atylotus ?
Theo
Posted by Zeegers on 11-08-2025 15:44
#3
Check this, for instance
https://waarneming.nl/observation/221552800/
In this case c/should be rusticus (?)
Theo
Posted by BLecaplain on 11-08-2025 16:36
#4
Thanks Theo for your answer.
In direct comparaison with my specimens of
rusticus I have some differences :
Head :
- first antennal segment more than 2x long (less in
rusticus)
- black hairs on first segment very long (shorter in
rusticus)
- subcallus dark in this specimen (orange in
rusticus)
- facial ridge with long black hairs (only pale hairs on
rusticus)
- palpus and clypeus with long black hair : really disheveled
- eyes with larger upper facets
- angle between eyes much larger (but not enough for species with angle > 100 (90° here)
Legs :
- front femur with very long black hairs, and only black hairs (shorter and pale in my specimen of
rusticus)
Haltere brown
But I think this specimen was in alcohol so maybe the identification is more difficult.
If the tubercle on vertex is always present in
Hybomitra (I think so, according to several picture in internet), so it's not
Hybomitra. But head is too dark (hairs, eyes, face) for
rusticus ?
Posted by BLecaplain on 13-08-2025 14:05
#5
I try a new identification :
For me, the tubercle is maybe absent I don't know why.
It's not a
Tabanus because it's not the coloration of
nemoralis (abdomen and antenna).
It's not (for me) an
Atylotus (face too dark and other criteria).
If I look to the genus
Hybomitra it could be on
bimaculata group.
It can't be
bimaculata who have all facets on the same size. It's not
solstitialis because the notopleural lobe is dark.
we have yellow hairs on the edge of the first tergite so it could be
distinguenda.
The palpi iare really long, not globular and pointed > 2x long than large. all species of
bimaculata group have globular palpi so I don't know !!

Posted by Zeegers on 14-08-2025 07:44
#6
Palp is much too slender for any Hybomitra, as you correctly observed. Moreover, the upper facets in eye are too large for any Hybomitra, even solstitialis.
I am not sure what the "other criteria" are, but I haven little doubt it is a male Atylotus and to me rusticus is OK. It is a very variable species, habitat is also a nice match.
Theo
Posted by BLecaplain on 14-08-2025 08:11
#7
ok thank you Theo, a difficult specimen, very different with my male of
rusticus
Posted by Zeegers on 14-08-2025 16:35
#8
Maybe your original 'rusticus' is a misident, if it is so different....
Posted by BLecaplain on 15-08-2025 06:27
#9
This specimen (and two other
rusticus)
https://diptera.info/forum/viewthread.php?forum_id=5&thread_id=115999
Posted by Zeegers on 15-08-2025 09:02
#10
For me, difficult to compare antennae, since pics are from a different angle. Palpus looks different, so much is clear. That said, rusticus is very variablr and there is jo ither option (, unless you are considering a cryptic species .....)
Theo
Posted by BLecaplain on 15-08-2025 14:08
#11
I don't suspect something strange or new. You are the specialist !
I just want to improve my knowledge on identification of Tabanidae and understand this identification
.
About this specimen, new photos to compare with an other
rusticus
And to show long black hairs on first antennal segment
