Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Thai. Beach Sarcophagidae
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 19-12-2007 17:05
#1
I hope to get name (at least genus) from our Sarcophagidae expert.
This fly is very common on dry sand in 2-5m from sea on any beach.
Posted by Zeegers on 19-12-2007 21:19
#2
The habitat suggests Sarcophila latifrons, the fly seems different, though.
Theo
Posted by conopid on 19-12-2007 23:26
#3
Well, I am certainly no Sarcophagidae expert, but this reminds me of Metopia?
Posted by Zeegers on 20-12-2007 21:44
#4
It does, because of its colour, but it is not. Metopia has the parafrontalia toughing each other , here the frontal stripe between the parafrontalia is very broad.
Posted by Liekele Sijstermans on 21-12-2007 10:54
#5
This is not Miltogramminae. I do not know any Miltogramminae with such big genitalia.
It is not Sarcophila, because this male does not have proclinate orbitals.
My guess would be Paramacronychiinae, Wohlfahrtiodes.
But my knowledge of oriental Paramacronychiinae is poor.
Please check hind coxae. They should not be hairy on posterior surface, to exclude Sarcophaginae.
Liekele
Posted by Liekele Sijstermans on 27-03-2008 14:58
#6
I have seen some specimens yesterday.
Hind coxae are hairy, so this belongs to Sarcophaginae.
It is consistent with description of Sarcophaga (Leucomyia) alba, though I have not checked genitalia yet.
Very nice surprise.
Liekele
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 27-03-2008 15:21
#7
1. Thank you Liekele.
2. Why
Sarcophaga (Leucomyia) alba is very nice surprise?
Nikita
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 29-03-2008 20:56
#8
maybe it is rare around and just common in Thai beaches? :P Or it is new for the region...
Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 29-03-2008 20:56
Posted by Jan HC Velterop on 11-04-2008 14:47
#9
An interesting shore sarcophagid, this Sarcophaga (Leucomyia) alba. It occurs from India and Sri Lanka up to the Ryu-Kyu-Isles. In the northern Kyoto region its numbers have strongly diminished and it is now considered threatened.
There are nice photo's on the japanese site: http://furumusi.aez.jp/wiki.cgi?Sarcophagidae064 . Who wants it, can the texts having translated by Babel Fish at Altavista. Good luck, Jan HC Velterop.
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 11-04-2008 15:21
#10
Well, so it is very nice surprise, because it is nice fly and Sarcophaga ID to species level.
Also, very nice fly to observe it's biology - you can site on the sea beach as "normal" = "not crazy" tourist and observe it's life.
Anything is known about
Sarcophaga alba biology so far?
Nikita
Posted by Susan R Walter on 11-04-2008 20:25
#11
Ahem...where was the dead crab then?
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 11-04-2008 20:48
#12
Susan,
Sarcophaga alba isn't sp.nov for science.
Such a common flies may be found even without dead crab!
Posted by Susan R Walter on 12-04-2008 18:25
#13
That's all right then - just checking your definition of 'normal' :p
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 06-01-2009 16:29
#14
Returning back to
Sarcophaga alba
I promised to observe biology of this species. Unfortunelly this year S. alba was much less common than previous.
Susan, it is really assosiated with crabs, but not dead crabs, with alive crabs.
S. alba concentrate near large (about 10cm D) holes of crabs and also spend a lot of time deep inside this holes.
Nikita
Posted by ChrisR on 06-01-2009 16:50
#15
Interesting observations ... have you changed your Diptera study to beach-living species so that you can watch them while sipping a Piņa colada and relaxing on a sun-lounger? ;)
... and no, I am not at all jealous ... really ... honestly ... with -7C here in England :p
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 06-01-2009 18:41
#16
you changed your Diptera study to beach-living species so that you can watch them while sipping a Piņa colada and relaxing on a sun-lounger
Oh, Chris, I hoped so, but in reallity it looks not as wonderful - you observe Sarcophaga and a crowd of Thai people observe you. I'd prefer deep forest observations...
Posted by Tony Irwin on 06-01-2009 18:53
#17
Hi Nikita - just wondering whether there are any snails associated with the crab holes - these might be a potential host?
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 07-01-2009 01:07
#18
Nikita Vikhrev wrote:
you changed your Diptera study to beach-living species so that you can watch them while sipping a Piņa colada and relaxing on a sun-lounger
Oh, Chris, I hoped so, but in reallity it looks not as wonderful - you observe Sarcophaga and a crowd of Thai people observe you. I'd prefer deep forest observations...
:d LOL Nikita! :D And you got some dead crab into the car? :D
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 07-01-2009 08:42
#19
Jorge, it was alive crab!
Tony, I can't see why we need any snails in addition. Wet sand mixed with crab's excrements in shade of crab hole - isn't it a paradise condition for Sarcophaga larvae?
Nikita
Posted by Gordon on 07-01-2009 10:10
#20
Dear Nikita,
If you visited some of the research stations scattered around you would find a different sort of Thai person. If you were going as far north as Petchaburi I could give you a contact at the Lam Pak Bia Mangrove research centre - it has about 4 km of raised wooden walkways through the mangroves as well as a lot of wastewater reclamtion study and demonstration plots. There is no hotel nearby but they would probably be able to find you a bed for a couple of nights. A little further north is the Marine Coast and Mangrove Research Centre, they too have raised walkways through the mangroves, but not as much. Both places also have a lot of Salt farms and shrimps farms nearby. No Pina Colades however.
Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 07-01-2009 14:36
#21
when will you return to the Moscow, Nikita?
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 07-01-2009 16:07
#22
I'm in Moscow since 03 Jan
Posted by Gordon on 07-01-2009 17:31
#23
Ahhhhhhhhh.:(
Well let's look on the bright side, now you can look at the Kerkini muscids.:D
Gordon
Posted by Tony Irwin on 08-01-2009 01:10
#24
Nikita Vikhrev wrote:
Tony, I can't see why we need any snails in addition. Wet sand mixed with crab's excrements in shade of crab hole - isn't it a paradise condition for Sarcophaga larvae?
Possibly - I don't know if the biology of
Leucomyia is known, but a majority of
Sarcophaga species breed in small carrion, such as snails - only a few species naturally breed in faeces
Edited by Tony Irwin on 08-01-2009 01:11
Posted by Nikita Vikhrev on 08-01-2009 09:24
#25
Tony, I'm very ignorant in crab's biology, but after few observations it seems to me that this biology is of the type that any snail carrion quickly turns into crab excrements :D
Would like to know what Liekele thinks...
Nikita
Posted by Tony Irwin on 08-01-2009 20:48
#26
Good point! :D