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 Vanoyia tenuicornis (female). Confirmed.
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 21-05-2012 01:50
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 Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Coastal area in southern Spain Photograph taken on May 20, 2012, in the wetlands of the Su�rez Pond, Motril, Granada, Spain. Immediate area of the Mediterranean coast. Apparent size with wings, about 5-6 mm Appreciate your cooperation for identification. Best regards! Maherjos attached the following image:  [103.85Kb] Edited by Maherjos on 21-06-2012 16:30 |
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| jorgemotalmeida |
Posted on 21-05-2012 02:13
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Stratiomyidae - Oxycera sp. beware that this genus is rare to see. Lucky you!  |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 21-05-2012 09:24
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
jorgemotalmeida wrote: Stratiomyidae - Oxycera sp. beware that this genus is rare to see. Lucky you! Thanks George. I had not seen before in the Pond. But on my last visit to the wetland, I have seen and photographed several times. Prepare and add more photos. It would be good, besides being an increasingly rare, the species could be identified. Best regards. |
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| Andre |
Posted on 21-05-2012 11:10
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 Member Location: Tilburg, the Netherlands Posts: 2111 Joined: 18.07.04 |
It's probably O. leonina. You can send specimens to me, along with Syrphids you caught. You have my address |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 21-05-2012 12:15
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Andre wrote: It's probably O. leonina. You can send specimens to me, along with Syrphids you caught. You have my address Thanks for the info. With your guidance I edit the title. I will consider his instructions .... best regards |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 21-05-2012 13:28
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 Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
It is not leonina as that one should have longitudinal stripes on the mesonotum. The combination of major parts of the head blackish, absence of longitudinal stripes on the mesonotum and yellow abdominal margin without large yellow spotst at the base and the tip of the abdomen lead me to believe it is not one of the species given in Rozkosny's European revision and possibly one of the species described later.
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 21-05-2012 17:45
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Paul Beuk wrote: It is not leonina as that one should have longitudinal stripes on the mesonotum. The combination of major parts of the head blackish, absence of longitudinal stripes on the mesonotum and yellow abdominal margin without large yellow spotst at the base and the tip of the abdomen lead me to believe it is not one of the species given in Rozkosny's European revision and possibly one of the species described later. In my ignorance and lack of taxonomic knowledge, for the simple comparison of this image that already exists in the gallery identified as O. lion, I totally agree on the differences you point. Additionally, the color of the legs, not match. For his drawings and well defined spots of white, I think this fly should be very characteristic. In the Gallery, I have not found. He knows if he can be described outside Europe.? To try to help identification, upload two photos, which I believe are of the same species but of different individuals also photographed the same day in the wetland. Best regards. Maherjos attached the following image:  [85.53Kb] Edited by Maherjos on 21-05-2012 17:46 |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 21-05-2012 17:47
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Maherjos attached the following image:  [88.45Kb] |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 22-05-2012 18:22
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Same species but no name yet. I need to check the literature...
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 22-05-2012 19:36
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Paul Beuk wrote: Same species but no name yet. I need to check the literature... We must wait patiently ... while maintaining the illusion.  thank you very much |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 24-05-2012 15:32
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
If you have the opportunity to collect males (plural) as well (eyes touching on froms), then please, do so. From what I have been able to see so far it may well be an undescribed species. I have 'located' four European species that were not included in Rozkosny's European revision: two species from the Canary Islands that look quite different and two species described more recently from Turkey. There is some resemblance with O. turcica but the yellow markings on the head of the female are different.
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 24-05-2012 17:32
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Paul Beuk wrote: If you have the opportunity to collect males (plural) as well (eyes touching on froms), then please, do so. From what I have been able to see so far it may well be an undescribed species. I have 'located' four European species that were not included in Rozkosny's European revision: two species from the Canary Islands that look quite different and two species described more recently from Turkey. There is some resemblance with O. turcica but the yellow markings on the head of the female are different. I will remember their wishes, within what my power ....... Males must have the eyes closer together ..? I tried searching turcica Oxycera photos on the Web, but I have not found any. Thank you for your interest in the subject. It is exciting to find something new. Best Regards |
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 24-05-2012 20:15
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
Images in this paper: http://biostor.or...e/3393.pdf
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| Paul Beuk |
Posted on 21-06-2012 12:45
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Super Administrator Location: Netherlands Posts: 19403 Joined: 11.05.04 |
With the sorry excuse that I never had seen a female yet, I have to admit with embarassment that this is the female of Vanoyia tenuicornis. Receiving a vial with three males of tenuicornis and five females of this 'Oxycera' from the same locality I got a bit uncomfortable and the key proved I was right to feel uncomfortable. Please add the female to the Gallyry, too. 
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 21-06-2012 16:44
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2349 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Paul Beuk wrote: With the sorry excuse that I never had seen a female yet, I have to admit with embarassment that this is the female of Vanoyia tenuicornis. Receiving a vial with three males of tenuicornis and five females of this 'Oxycera' from the same locality I got a bit uncomfortable and the key proved I was right to feel uncomfortable. Please add the female to the Gallyry, too. I consider myself fortunate to have outstanding support from experts like you that without prior information may come to identify species with sexual dimorphism as pronounced as in this case. And once known for its identification, identity as a female of that species, I also clarifies the curiosity that caused me, this insect commonly found in the company or at least in the vicinity, which from the outset you identified me as the male of Vanoyia tenuicornis. Very grateful for your interest and help. |
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