Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Ephydridae Hydrellia puparium ? > Hydrellia

Posted by solito de solis on 23-11-2015 15:16
#1

Hey friends

puparium preserved in formaline/alcohol (5 years old), collected in freshwater stream
larva present in one but so breakable it was impossible to manipulate it
an adult (?) present in the darker one

Length of the puparium 3.2 mm
this one with the adult inside

rodredi.free.fr/hydrel/Hydr00.jpg

lateral and dorsal view of 2 pupae

rodredi.free.fr/hydrel/Hydr01.jpg

Tip of the anal segment (siphon ?)

rodredi.free.fr/hydrel/Hydr02.jpg


spicules on each abdominal segment VV

rodredi.free.fr/hydrel/Hydr03.jpg

First segment tip (where the cephalopharyngeal skeleton is fixed inside) Frontal view


rodredi.free.fr/hydrel/Hydr04.jpg






cephalopharyngeal skeleton very simple

rodredi.free.fr/hydrel/Hydr05.jpg



the adult (?) DV links VV right

rodredi.free.fr/hydrel/Hydr08.jpg


merci for the attention
SDS

Edited by solito de solis on 23-11-2015 20:03

Posted by atylotus on 23-11-2015 19:43
#2

Yes, these are the puparia of hydrellia. However, there are parasitic hymenoptera, possibly Ichneumonidae in the skin. Many hydrellia are parasitized, usually only 50% or so contain the fly. The posterior spiracles are 2 pointed elongations to pierce the plants' parenchym for oxygen uptake.

Edited by atylotus on 23-11-2015 19:47

Posted by solito de solis on 23-11-2015 20:03
#3

Thanks
Do you mean that this adult is not Hydrellia...
I can believe as I'm a beginner and I dont'know really what happens outside the water
But Ichneumonidae have 4 wings, two anterior and two posterior and here
there is only 1 pair Wings pad

But the antennae of Hydrellia are really not so long !!

I have a picture of the mouth.. perhaps this will confirm Ichneumonidae
I will post it in a moment

SDS

SDS


Posted by atylotus on 24-11-2015 07:56
#4

The adult is definitely no fly but a parasitic wasp.

Posted by solito de solis on 24-11-2015 13:22
#5

merci Atylotus

I try to understand what happened.
If the pupa has traces of larvae Hydrellia spicules, if the pupa has the shape of a pupa Hydrellia, if it is found in the pupa a cephalopharyngeal skeleton of the larvaa attached to the front tip of the pupa, I have to think that the larva existed to the end of his development.
When therefore the parasitism? The wasp lays its eggs in the larva and an egg grows and develops digesting what is in the pupa before itself becoming an adult as seen in the photo?


I have found an answer
here http://entnemdept...mbiana.htm

merci

Edited by solito de solis on 24-11-2015 13:46

Posted by solito de solis on 24-11-2015 18:58
#6

After a better observation (and dissolution of CHOH polymers stiking the organism)

I have to apologize, the adult insect (wasp) had 2 pairs of wing pads

A better picture of the head of Hydrellia

rodredi.free.fr/hydrel/hydrel11.jpg


SDS

Edited by solito de solis on 24-11-2015 18:59