Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Unknown small Nematocera (18.04.15) --> Dicranomyia morio?
Posted by Juergen Peters on 19-04-2015 19:48
#1
Hello,
on ivy in our garden (northwest Germany). I can't even propose a family. For Limoniidae it seemed very small with its 4.5 mm.
Edited by Juergen Peters on 19-04-2015 22:41
Posted by Juergen Peters on 19-04-2015 19:49
#2
Pic #2
Posted by John Carr on 19-04-2015 20:03
#3
Tipulidae s. lat. can be very small. Quoting the guide to Tipulidae in
Manual of Nearctic Diptera:
Length up to 60 mm; size varying from tiny species of
Tasiocera Skuse with wing length of about 2 mm, to large species of
Holorusia Loew with wing often 40 mm long and of
Leptotarsus Guérin-Méneville (
Longurio Loew) with body length often 60 mm.
Posted by Juergen Peters on 19-04-2015 20:37
#4
Hello John,
many thanks for your interesting comment. The smallest Limoniidae I knew from here were about 6-7 mm. The largest Tipulids were a
Tanyptera atrata female with at least 30 mm body length (including ovipositor) and - of course - several
Tipula maxima.
Posted by clovis on 19-04-2015 22:17
#5
And what would you say about Dicranoyia (Melanolimonia)?
D morio?
Posted by Juergen Peters on 19-04-2015 22:40
#6
Hello Clovis,
clovis wrote:
And what would you say about Dicranoyia (Melanolimonia)?
D morio?
there are many Limoniidae around in our garden these days, which I think are
Dicranomyia (posting is from 2014, but they are also present now). But those are bigger (8-10 mm) and often greenish. I did not know
D. morio, yet, but pics I found in the net, lool rather similar, thanks!
Posted by clovis on 21-04-2015 10:43
#7
Actually i have no doubt on the subgenus, and it is a really small specie, even compare with
D chorea ;)
Posted by Juergen Peters on 21-04-2015 18:58
#8
Hi,
I have a slightly better (wing venation visible) picture from yesterday.
Posted by Juergen Peters on 21-04-2015 19:03
#9
And the other
Dicranomyias, the bigger (10 mm), greenish ones, are sitting next to it at the wintergarden, trembling constantly with high frequency for hours and hours... :D