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Posted by Graeme Cocks on 03-03-2015 21:49

Can anyone suggest a subfamily? At light, Townsville, Queensland.

Posted by Zeegers on 04-03-2015 09:32

Could be Winthemiiini, though I see only 4 humeral bristles (should be 5).

Could you check whether the 'barette' is hairy ?

Theo

Posted by Graeme Cocks on 04-03-2015 09:46

Ok, just got find a barette first.

Posted by Zeegers on 04-03-2015 10:22

Its modern name is ' katepimeron'.

It is not in the glossary. It is a more or less horizontal strip above the meron, so in front of the posterior spiracle. It is much smaller than the meron.

This is the meron
http://www.diptera.info/infusions/terms/terms.php?sortby=M&items_per_page=20&show_syn=1&cat_id=6

Hope this helps

Theo

Posted by Zeegers on 04-03-2015 10:26

Or better

http://www.inhs.illinois.edu/research/webkey/thorax.html

"kepm'

Posted by Graeme Cocks on 04-03-2015 18:19

Thanks Theo, that reference was quite clear. And yes there are dense golden hairs in that location.

Edited by Graeme Cocks on 04-03-2015 18:38

Posted by Zeegers on 04-03-2015 18:55

Graeme

It is actually BEHIND the golden hairs. It should be more or less horizontal,
As farr as I can tell, it looks bare, not sure though.

Theo

Posted by Graeme Cocks on 04-03-2015 19:18

I've taken away most of the golden hairs and I would say that it is bare.

Posted by Graeme Cocks on 04-03-2015 19:21

#10

Is this it at the end of the line I've added?

Posted by Zeegers on 05-03-2015 15:12

#11

It is difficult to see in this angle, but you seem correct.

There are just a few hairs on front, but that is OK.

Conclusion: Not Winthemiini

Posted by Graeme Cocks on 05-03-2015 18:51

#12

Thanks Theo. Yes the area is in shadow, sorry about that. I could have placed my lights better.

Posted by Zeegers on 05-03-2015 20:57

#13

This time, no new ' Monty Python'ish questions, but an ID on species ! level

Carcelia hardyi.

I am very fortunate that you have so few Carcelia

Comment by Crosskey " ... can be extremely similar to Winthemiini...'
That explains my nagging on the barrette.

Theo

Posted by Graeme Cocks on 05-03-2015 21:19

#14

Thanks Theo. And I am fortunate you are so tenacious. Wonderful.

Posted by Graeme Cocks on 05-03-2015 21:27

#15

The species Carcelia (Carcelia) hardyi is listed on ALA (Atlas of Living Australia) but there are no recorded sightings, so this will be the first. To be listed I guess it must have been sighted somewhere but the record(s) haven't made it to the database.

Posted by Zeegers on 06-03-2015 08:53

#16

What do you mean by 'sightings', Graeme ?
The type locality of hardyi is in Queensland, Brisbane if I remember correctly.
I was very pleased to learn that !

Crosskey gives the most 'recent' checklist for Australia (1976). Do you have a copy. I'd say you'd reallly need one !

Theo

Posted by Zeegers on 06-03-2015 08:54

#17

By the way, diptera.org is also pretty informative

http://www.diptera.org/NomenclatorDetail.php?Recn=605506

Theo

Posted by Graeme Cocks on 06-03-2015 20:21

#18

The ALA only gathers records that are in a digital format, so records on paper will probably never make it into the database. No I don't have that paper.
Thanks for pointing me to diptera.org, I didn't know about it.

Posted by sd on 06-03-2015 21:49

#19

Follow the link here for Crosskey
http://www.dipter...d_id=65584

Steve