Thread subject: Diptera.info :: Thyreophora cynophila, a diptera extincts, is founded in Spain

Posted by libellulasman on 05-08-2010 20:51
#1

The piophilid Thyreophora cynophila (Panzer) has been collected in Spain after having disappeared for 160 years. We have founded it in La Rioja mountains (Spain): a photograph returned it to the life. An amazing discovery that you can see in www.libellulasman...: available article and video.

Posted by Gerard Pennards on 05-08-2010 21:28
#2

Wow wow wow, great rediscovery, congratulations.
It's a wonderful fly indeed....
Greetings

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 05-08-2010 21:41
#3

WOW!!! February!! I must go there. :)
really the term "extinct" is wrong. Nevertheless it is a great rediscovery.

Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 06-08-2010 08:17

Posted by libellulasman on 06-08-2010 08:28
#4

Hi, again:

This is a photograph of Thyreophora cynophila: it´s beautiful male really...

img691.imageshack.us/img691/5965/dipterainfo.jpg


www.libellulasman...

Posted by paqui on 07-08-2010 18:31
#5

Well done! It´s amazing, and a very beatiful fly. Could you abandon Odonata and begin with Diptera? Maybe you´re the one to find many other flies like this ;)
Congratulations!

Posted by Don Micro on 07-08-2010 19:02
#6

What a find. Congrats!

Posted by ChrisR on 07-08-2010 22:44
#7

Not really an identification query but I wasn't sure where to drop this thread ... the Lounge is usually for less entomological things :)

Posted by pwalter on 08-08-2010 11:24
#8

May I ask if early spring is typical for fly species developing in big dead animals? Or is it just a coincidence?

Posted by paqui on 08-08-2010 14:34
#9

I have no idea, but that´s very interesting, may it depend on the habitat? I ignore the importance of the size of the dead animal, but Mégnin (La faune des tombeaux) said many Diptera species occur in summer [...] and made a calendar of some Muscidae, Calliphoridae, Phoridae and other orders (time to appear, to pupate, etc), but that was good for Paris and not valid for forensic use in other places (?).
A more recent book "Entomology and law" (interesting too) has a table (for Calyptratae) with the number of hours for hatching depending on temperature (considering palaearctic and nearctic fauna) (?)

Posted by libellulasman on 09-08-2010 08:18
#10

THANKS paqui! And thank you Gerard Pennards, jorgemotalmeida and Don Micro.

Paqui, i try to be an utterer of Odonata world with www.libellulasman... and a total Entomologist to investigate La Rioja (Spain). I was lucky because a friend came out in photographs of that fly but he didn't know what it was and, what important it was!!!

I think the labor that amateur photographs realize is very important to investigators and this is a test of it.

But my world is Odonatology... NOW.

NOTE: thanks ChrisR to put this post in OK place.

Posted by libellulasman on 16-08-2010 19:25
#11

Estimated pwalter:

Thyreophora cynophila is a specie associated with the cold. When temperatures ascend, other flies come to the corpses and T. cynophila cannot compete. I'm speaking about 4-10º C. Because of it flies on February-March and October-November.

Posted by Thomas Pape on 18-08-2010 17:02
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Already Robineau-Desvoidy noted that T. cynophila was active in the colder part of the year, and he observed it walking slowly on carcasses of donkeys and dogs in the outskirts of Paris when patches of snow were still remaining. A superb paper summarising what is known about T. cynophila will soon appear in Systematic Entomology. It is indeed surprising that this species after 'hiding' for more than 150 years suddenly makes its appearance at several localities in Spain.

Posted by Jan HC Velterop on 24-09-2010 15:12
#13

The Systematic Entomology-article has been publiished; find the abstract at: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-3113.2010.00541.x/abstract.
This week also popular press discovered the item, as you can google. With indonesian, chinese, polish, czech and more articles, also adding more photos. Since 23-09 22:33 there is an avalanche of >50 (spanish) comments on http://blogs.20minutos.es/cronicaverde/2010/09/23/resucitan-a-una-mosca-extinguida/, with new find and photos, and the original video.

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 24-09-2010 18:13
#14

Many of those comments in the aforementioned blog are pure blunders or shows an incredible ignorance. But there are also very nice comments like those who tell that Entomology is clearly undervalued. People don't give the respect that living animals should have.
Flies forever!


http://news.googl...hyreophora horror???? :S

Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 24-09-2010 18:16

Posted by Jan HC Velterop on 25-09-2010 01:34
#15

I just found the complete article with photos of Boletín de la Sociedad Entomológica Aragonesa, 46: 1-7 on: http://www.sea-entomologia.org/PDF/001007BSEA46Thyreophorabr.pdf.

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 25-09-2010 02:03
#16

The first group that found Thyreophora cynophila was Martin's team from Madrid. They captured some specimens of T. cynophila in 2007.. "Sarcosaprop.hagous insects were studied in natural habitats in Madrid Province, central Spain from June 2006 to May 2007 using carrion-baited traps at 21 localities."
They wrote an article known as:
Back from the dead: Thyreophora cynophila (Panzer, 1798) (Diptera: Piophilidae) ‘globally extinct’ fugitive in Spain

1. DANIEL MARTÍN-VEGA1,*,
2. ARTURO BAZ1,
3. VERNER MICHELSEN2

Curious to know that : "T. cynophila was
claimed as the first case of a dipteran species eradicated by
humans in historical times (Courtney et al., 2009)
."

Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 25-09-2010 02:06

Posted by Paul Beuk on 07-12-2010 13:51
#17

Just received a specimen of Thyreophora cynophila. :D

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 07-12-2010 13:58
#18

There are so lucky guys! Is it from Rioja - Spain, Paul?

Edited by jorgemotalmeida on 07-12-2010 13:59

Posted by Paul Beuk on 07-12-2010 14:25
#19

No, it is from Purto de la Morcuera. :)

Posted by jorgemotalmeida on 08-12-2010 12:48
#20

just great! Only about 4 hours trip to reach there.

Posted by rvanderweele on 08-12-2010 17:01
#21

Lucky you, Paul! I envy you.