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Thank you Chen, I will hang in there! I am trying to be methodical in my approach, the only way to go really.

I had found the North America Limoniidae site, thanks for that anyway. I do have more than I had realised in pdf form of different families, but I've only started to look at them seriously. Too many other distractions but everything eventually has it's turn.

I agree with you on photographs, although a flash is more likely to show up some features than without. In some instances it will be impossible to come to a definite ID, in others not so difficult but keys have to be followed to find that out.

Janet