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Fly from Greece, Nemestrinidae -> Hirmoneura obscura
Siga
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Posted on 27-02-2017 11:52
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Hello

though I don't know even the family for shure, I woud be glad if identification of the species is possible from this only photo.

Greece, Peloponnese, near Sparta 36.98043°, 22.42267° length at about 400 m high at 8. June 2016

Thank you very much
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Difficult to see, looks like a Nemestrinidae. Fallenia is not uncommon on the Peloponnesos. Definitely not a Tabanid, might be a Bombyliid.

Theo
 
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Zeegers wrote:
Difficult to see, looks like a Nemestrinidae. Fallenia is not uncommon on the Peloponnesos. Definitely not a Tabanid, might be a Bombyliid.

Theo


Not Bombyliidae, the "diagonal vein" is unique to Nemestrinidae.
 
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Following Fauna Europaea there are only 6 species of the family in Greece
Nemestrinus reticulatus
Nemestrinus graecus
Stenopteromyia bolivari
Hirmoneura obscura
Fallenia fasciata and Neorhynchocephalus tauscheri

But regarding the gallery I think this is the end of the road.

Thanks, Siga
 
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I cannot see venation well enough but this creature fits Neorhynchocephalus tauscheri rather nicely Wink
 
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Yes, I thought I saw a "diagonal vein", but was not totally sure, since it is slightly out of focus.

Nice find !

Theo
 
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I don't know the customs in the Forum well enough nor the members.

Can I take Neorhynchocephalus tauscheri for shure? And shall I change the name of the thread to that name? And shall I use the the button ''Add this attachement to family...''?

Thanks for answer,
Siga
 
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Siga wrote:
Can I take Neorhynchocephalus tauscheri for shure? And shall I change the name of the thread to that name? And shall I use the the button ''Add this attachement to family...''?


Well, I am not an expert in the strict sense of the word (I only have been into Diptera for 6 years) but Nemestrinidae is one of the families I work with. As far as I can see in your picture, it is that species. I would be happier if I could see a frontal and a lateral view, of course. Then I would be able to confirm. But still I think it should be. I cannot think of another species that matches your fly.
 
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OK, I have gone to the literature and studied carefully what I can see of the venation of your specimen. And I see the diagonal vein reaches the margin of the wing. I'd wish somebody else can confirm and I see correctly. This and some other small peculiarities makes me think that it could be Hirmoneura. However I have seen pictures of Hirmoneura obscura and this species doesn't look like your fly. That is why I ruled out in the first place.

Really, with only this picture is very difficult to be completely certain of the ID...

EDIT: Well, I am starting to be really convinced this is Hirmoneura obscura. I have re-checked the venation and really fits Smile See attachment. Also legs fit better than N. tauscheri as does the darkening in the frontal part of the wings. Body colour looks odd (perhaps because it is a female and i only know the male?) but morphologically fits truly well Smile By the way, H. obscura is the only species in Europe.
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If it is possible to identify the species with the venation only, I extracted from the original photo that part and sharpened the differences. That makes the photo in all ugly, but the former dull parts are well visible.
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Siga, no shadow of doubt now: Hirmoneura obscura Smile Excellent!! TumbsUp
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Thanks a lot, I've put the photo to the gallery
 
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