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Fly from Greece, Nemestrinidae -> Hirmoneura obscura
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Siga |
Posted on 27-02-2017 11:52
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Member Location: Southern Germany Posts: 101 Joined: 17.05.07 |
Hello though I don't know even the family for shure, I woud be glad if identification of the species is possible from this only photo. Greece, Peloponnese, near Sparta 36.98043°, 22.42267° length at about 400 m high at 8. June 2016 Thank you very much Hansjörg Siga attached the following image: [54.8Kb] Edited by Siga on 28-02-2017 14:06 |
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Zeegers |
Posted on 27-02-2017 12:45
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18472 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Difficult to see, looks like a Nemestrinidae. Fallenia is not uncommon on the Peloponnesos. Definitely not a Tabanid, might be a Bombyliid. Theo |
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John Carr |
Posted on 27-02-2017 13:01
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Member Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 9814 Joined: 22.10.10 |
Zeegers wrote: Difficult to see, looks like a Nemestrinidae. Fallenia is not uncommon on the Peloponnesos. Definitely not a Tabanid, might be a Bombyliid. Theo Not Bombyliidae, the "diagonal vein" is unique to Nemestrinidae. |
Siga |
Posted on 27-02-2017 15:16
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Member Location: Southern Germany Posts: 101 Joined: 17.05.07 |
Following Fauna Europaea there are only 6 species of the family in Greece Nemestrinus reticulatus Nemestrinus graecus Stenopteromyia bolivari Hirmoneura obscura Fallenia fasciata and Neorhynchocephalus tauscheri But regarding the gallery I think this is the end of the road. Thanks, Siga |
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Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 27-02-2017 15:29
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
I cannot see venation well enough but this creature fits Neorhynchocephalus tauscheri rather nicely |
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Zeegers |
Posted on 27-02-2017 15:45
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 18472 Joined: 21.07.04 |
Yes, I thought I saw a "diagonal vein", but was not totally sure, since it is slightly out of focus. Nice find ! Theo |
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Siga |
Posted on 27-02-2017 16:16
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Member Location: Southern Germany Posts: 101 Joined: 17.05.07 |
I don't know the customs in the Forum well enough nor the members. Can I take Neorhynchocephalus tauscheri for shure? And shall I change the name of the thread to that name? And shall I use the the button ''Add this attachement to family...''? Thanks for answer, Siga |
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Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 27-02-2017 18:49
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Siga wrote: Can I take Neorhynchocephalus tauscheri for shure? And shall I change the name of the thread to that name? And shall I use the the button ''Add this attachement to family...''? Well, I am not an expert in the strict sense of the word (I only have been into Diptera for 6 years) but Nemestrinidae is one of the families I work with. As far as I can see in your picture, it is that species. I would be happier if I could see a frontal and a lateral view, of course. Then I would be able to confirm. But still I think it should be. I cannot think of another species that matches your fly. |
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Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 27-02-2017 22:00
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
OK, I have gone to the literature and studied carefully what I can see of the venation of your specimen. And I see the diagonal vein reaches the margin of the wing. I'd wish somebody else can confirm and I see correctly. This and some other small peculiarities makes me think that it could be Hirmoneura. However I have seen pictures of Hirmoneura obscura and this species doesn't look like your fly. That is why I ruled out in the first place. Really, with only this picture is very difficult to be completely certain of the ID... EDIT: Well, I am starting to be really convinced this is Hirmoneura obscura. I have re-checked the venation and really fits See attachment. Also legs fit better than N. tauscheri as does the darkening in the frontal part of the wings. Body colour looks odd (perhaps because it is a female and i only know the male?) but morphologically fits truly well By the way, H. obscura is the only species in Europe. Piluca_Alvarez attached the following image: [32.11Kb] Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 27-02-2017 22:21 |
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Siga |
Posted on 28-02-2017 08:45
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Member Location: Southern Germany Posts: 101 Joined: 17.05.07 |
If it is possible to identify the species with the venation only, I extracted from the original photo that part and sharpened the differences. That makes the photo in all ugly, but the former dull parts are well visible.
Siga attached the following image: [155.82Kb] |
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Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 28-02-2017 09:14
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Siga, no shadow of doubt now: Hirmoneura obscura Excellent!!
Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 28-02-2017 09:14 |
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Siga |
Posted on 28-02-2017 14:13
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Member Location: Southern Germany Posts: 101 Joined: 17.05.07 |
Thanks a lot, I've put the photo to the gallery |
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