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Posted on 14-08-2016 20:33
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 It seems to an Andrenosoma sp.
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 Choerades femorata
abdomen black ?
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 I still think it is an Andrenosoma species because the proboscis seems to be dorso/ventrally flattened and the shape of the antennae point in that direction. Do you have more pictures?
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 Thank you very much! Reinoud :)
I hope we disagreed
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 Aha! The wing venation clears a lot (but not all) This is a Pogonosoma species closely related to Andrenosoma. I can't find a good key yet but it could be P. minor Loew 1869.
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 Türkey Pogonosoma maroeeanum Fabr.
İzmir - Bornova, 17. 5. 1966 new spec.
No source Sad
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 I think you mean P. maroccanum? P. minor is known from a lot of eastern-European countries so it would be very plausible that the species is also present in Turkey. Do you have access to a good checklist for Turkish Diptera (Asilidae in particular)?
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 Hi Reinoud
Unfortunately, no new list
But I am working Smile
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 I'm pleased to verify that Reinoud is correct in his ID of this fly: it is Pogonosoma minor (smaller, darker-legged cousin of the familiar P. maroccanum). Please add to gallery. Thanks,

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 Thank you Eric.... maybe this is useful, if unknown https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282185562_Diptera_of_Turkey_Priamus_Suppl_28_ii_1-411_186_figs_166_maps_3_tables

And indeed P. minor is not in the list...
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 Hi
I've seen before , P.maroccarum 20 mm in size. but these individuals 10 mm?
Türkey Mersin There are record, my friend.
Tarsa yellow and intense seta ...I want to know, how?
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 I am not sure if i understand your question correctly but the species in your pictures is Pogonosoma minor Loew 1869. New species!!!!!!! for Turkey!!!! "minor" means small in Latin. The species is distinctly different from P. maroccanum....
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 I am so sorry Sad I did not fully understand.

I understand now.
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 @ Eric Fisher How can this specimen be separated from P. unicolor? They seem to be rather similar....and Loew's description of minor is very limited, both species seem to be small and black, he doesn't describe the abdomen of minor :-(
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 Hi Reinoud,

My ID was based on comparisons to photos I took of an identified P. minor female specimen in the BMNH years ago. Otherwise, all I know is the Loew description in Engel... The female I photographed ("Serbia - Jugoslavia"/ identifier not recorded) at BMNH has an entirely pale yellow mystax), so differs somewhat from the photos provided here by tabiatdostu, which show a blacker mystax. Don't know the significance of that really, but inclined to assume simple variation (happens often between American spp. P. ridingsi and P. dorsatum). More info on these seemingly scarce Palaearctic Pogonosoma spp. is clearly needed...

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 Thanks for the clarification Eric!
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