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 Saropogon obesulus
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| valter |
Posted on 26-05-2016 20:03
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 Member Location: Faro, Portugal Posts: 1974 Joined: 09.07.07 |
Location: Portugal Date: May 2016 Specimen collected  [img]     Thanks, Valter Edited by valter on 28-05-2016 15:48 |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 27-05-2016 17:32
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 Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Another chaotic genus in the Iberian Peninsula  Let's wait for Reinoud's view, but I would suggest Saropogon leucocephalus. Do you have a more lateral view? It would help... Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 27-05-2016 17:33 |
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| valter |
Posted on 27-05-2016 18:57
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Member Location: Faro, Portugal Posts: 1974 Joined: 09.07.07 |
Another photo. |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 27-05-2016 21:00
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Thanks  Well, it seems to fit the keys for S. leucocephalus to my eyes... However, seeing this lateral view there is something wrong about the creature and I don't know what it is. This genus is a nightmare for me  Probably I am missing something.Please, wait for Reinoud's opinion. I am not confident at all with this ID
Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 27-05-2016 21:00 |
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| valter |
Posted on 28-05-2016 11:37
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Member Location: Faro, Portugal Posts: 1974 Joined: 09.07.07 |
More photos. |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 28-05-2016 15:15
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 Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
A clear picture of the side of the thorax would be welcome, but when i use our provisional key i get to S. obesulus. Because leucocephalus has no tomentum on the side of the thorax and this one does at the top of the mesopleuron. : ) But reading Engel description does not fit good ; ( We will have to rework the key ? Edited by Quaedfliegh on 28-05-2016 15:20 Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| valter |
Posted on 28-05-2016 15:26
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Member Location: Faro, Portugal Posts: 1974 Joined: 09.07.07 |
Many Thanks! |
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| Quaedfliegh |
Posted on 28-05-2016 15:58
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Member Location: Tilburg Netherlands Posts: 2198 Joined: 18.05.10 |
Now used key by Engel and i end up with obesulus again..... The colour of the legs don't seem to fit.... the dark femora and hind legs bother me a bit...
Greetings, Reinoud Field guide to the robber flies of the Netherlands and Belgium: https://www.jeugdbondsuitgeverij.nl/product/field-guide-to-the-robberflies-of-the-netherlands-and-belgium/ https://www.nev.nl/diptera/ |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 28-05-2016 18:01
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Thanks for your reply Reinoud! I see now why I wasn't happy with my own ID. Not only there is indeed tomentum on top of mesopleuron but it is a male, and a male leucocephalus should have black mystax! I shouldn't work on Saropogon when I am ready to go to sleep, hehehehehe...  Quaedfliegh wrote: But reading Engel description does not fit good ; ( We will have to rework the key ? Well, remember all the trouble Saropogon brought last year We already had serious problems with potential obesulus that didn't fit the description. I think the problem is that Iberian specimens weren't really studied in old works and variability hasn't been taken into account... Yes, certainly keys need to be reworked, ours included
Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 28-05-2016 18:08 |
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