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 Scathophagidae: --> Norellisoma spinimanum
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| kuv |
Posted on 01-09-2015 11:55
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3615 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Northern Germany, Schleswig-Holstein, near Hamburg, uncultivated area with meadows and bushes, altitude about 25 msm, Outsidefoto: kuv, 25th of May 2015. Comparing the pictures in the Diptera Gallery I think it could be Norellisoma spinimanum (male). Right? Please help. Kuv kuv attached the following image:  [99.45Kb] Edited by kuv on 02-09-2015 16:26 |
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| kuv |
Posted on 01-09-2015 11:55
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3615 Joined: 30.04.10 |
2nd pic:
kuv attached the following image:  [96.09Kb] |
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| Sundew |
Posted on 01-09-2015 14:35
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 Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3890 Joined: 28.07.07 |
Norellisoma should be ok. However, according to Fauna Europaea we have 6 species in Germany. I have no key except that by Stuart Ball (http://scathophag...agidae.pdf), who mentions three Norellisoma species, one of them not found in Germany. The remaining two differ in size, colour, and hairiness of the arista as well as in the habitat. The male 5th sternites and genitalia give important characters, but your male cannot be dissected  (good for the fly, bad for science). I have no idea what the other species look like. So the pictures should better be labeled Norellisoma spec., even if the yellow colour speaks for N. spinimanum. Regards, Sundew Edited by Sundew on 01-09-2015 15:26 |
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| kuv |
Posted on 02-09-2015 08:43
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3615 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Thank you very much Sundew for explaining with so many details  Greetings Kuv |
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| jonas |
Posted on 02-09-2015 11:05
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Member Location: Posts: 351 Joined: 06.05.07 |
This is Norellisoma spinimanum. I am finishing a paper on Norellisoma right now. This paper will have good habitus pictures (lateral, head, sternite 5) of all 6 Belgian species together with some interesting details on synonymies or whatsoever. I should try to submit it soon. Ball's key is very bad for Norellisoma, so please do not rely on this. Unfortunately, indeed, one has to gather plenty of (mainly inaccesible) papers to identify Norellisoma. But after a while, identification come easy since, especially males, are really striking. About identity of N. spinimanum, I give you one paragraph of my publication to come: Ozerov (2010) provided useful images of the male genitalia, and Šifner (1995) provided drawings of male and female genitalia. This species might be confused with N. alpestre (Schiner, 1864) and N. jeliniki Šifner 2008, both of which have a yellow thorax. To separate these, Šifner (2006) provided a short summary of characters of these three species (mainly wing venation, male genitalia and the shape of sternites). Anyhow, together with distribution you do not have to doubt about N. spinimanum. |
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| Sundew |
Posted on 02-09-2015 11:17
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Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3890 Joined: 28.07.07 |
Great - we are looking forward to getting your paper!
Edited by Sundew on 02-09-2015 11:18 |
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| kuv |
Posted on 02-09-2015 16:25
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Member Location: Schenefeld near Hamburg Posts: 3615 Joined: 30.04.10 |
Thank's Jonas I'm one of the first customers of your publikation ... Greeting Kuv |
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| Lennart Bendixen |
Posted on 13-01-2016 22:53
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Member Location: Northern Germany Posts: 1171 Joined: 19.12.14 |
Jonas, has your paper been published already? If not - will it appear in the publications section or where can we find it? Just can't wait for it |
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but don't see the image in the post.