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 Bombyliidae for ID, C Spain --> Usia loewi
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 06-12-2011 20:53
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 Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Taken in the mountains of Madrid on the 21rst May 2011. Parageron? Geron? Doesn't seem to fit anything that I know  Help, please! Thanks in advance!
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 06-12-2011 20:54
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Another picture.
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| David Gibbs |
Posted on 07-12-2011 11:25
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 Member Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 833 Joined: 17.06.06 |
part of the "Usia" aurata group, difficult to name without dissection but in this case i can fairly confidently (99%) call this one Parageron loewi (Becker, 1906). i think it is currently placed in Usia but IMO your intuition that this is a Parageron is correct. |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 07-12-2011 21:58
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Thanks so much, David!!!  I guess this means the best way to name it is Parageron cf. loewi  Please, what make you think it is loewi instead of aurata? |
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| David Gibbs |
Posted on 08-12-2011 00:53
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Member Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 833 Joined: 17.06.06 |
Piluca_Alvarez wrote: I guess this means the best way to name it is Parageron cf. loewi no, i think you can call it loewi, put it in whichever genus you prefer. Piluca_Alvarez wrote: Please, what make you think it is loewi instead of aurata? I have seen no specimens of aurata ss from Spain. There are, however, two similar undescribed species that occur in south Spain, but these are rare and, although specimens are few, i have never seen one of these that looks like your specimen. Apart from genitalia, they differ in male eye separation, hairs on frons and nature of dusting on mesonotum, some of which features are visible in your photo. |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 08-12-2011 13:39
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Thanks so much for your explanation, David!! |
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| David Gibbs |
Posted on 09-12-2011 10:29
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Member Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 833 Joined: 17.06.06 |
Piluca_Alvarez wrote: Thanks so much for your explanation, David!! but obviously i was not very clear, my identification as loewi is not probable but as certain as you will ever get for a photo. 99% in the world of beefly identification is essentially certain (i only demur from saying 100% in order to avoid criticism from epistemological purists). This is Parageron loewi beyond any reasonable doubt. |
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| Piluca_Alvarez |
Posted on 09-12-2011 13:43
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Member Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 2431 Joined: 06.11.10 |
Well, David, I have read your post again and it was ME, that didn't understand correctly. Your explanation was clear enough. It is updated now, and I am happy that you are so confident of your ID (considering it is from a picture). I am most grateful for your help and patience PD: In the Taxonomic lists used in my site it is placed in Usia. I change the genus then for coherency. Also found here: http://www.biodiv...97495.html http://www.biodiv...97496.html Edited by Piluca_Alvarez on 10-12-2011 10:25 |
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