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 Limnophora flavitarsis (female), confirmed!
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 06-11-2011 21:56
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 Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2354 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Photograph taken on November, 06, 2011, in the wetlands of the Suárez Pond, Motril, Granada, Spain. Immediate area of the Mediterranean coast. Approximate size, no antennae or tails 7 mm Click over the image increases in size  I would appreciate your help identifying this dipterous. Best regards! Edited by Maherjos on 07-11-2011 21:09 |
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| Sundew |
Posted on 07-11-2011 01:28
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 Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3917 Joined: 28.07.07 |
This is a female Muscid. Wing venation recalls Muscina, however, the scutellum tip is usually brownish in this genus. Stephane Lebrun should know more! |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 07-11-2011 12:43
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2354 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Sundew wrote: This is a female Muscid. Wing venation recalls Muscina, however, the scutellum tip is usually brownish in this genus. Stephane Lebrun should know more! Many thanks for your information. With the guidance that tells me, change the title to try to go further in such identification. Best regards! |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 07-11-2011 15:38
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 Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2396 Joined: 12.06.09 |
I don't think this is Muscina. Pehaps Hydrotaea? |
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| Larry Shone |
Posted on 07-11-2011 15:40
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 Member Location: Darlington UK Posts: 187 Joined: 08.05.10 |
Maherjos, i cant see any of your photos! I just see the URL and when i click on view Image i get this: Server not found Firefox can't find the server at www.hispabase.com. Ignore this, my cats had pulled a network cable out!! Edited by Larry Shone on 07-11-2011 16:03 |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 07-11-2011 17:26
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2354 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Stephen R wrote: I don't think this is Muscina. Pehaps Hydrotaea? I acknowledge my ignorance, to know and even fewer decide to family, genus or species that may have a certain Diptera. I enjoy taking pictures of the bugs in general, and even more flies. They are amazing creatures, their shapes, colors, patterns ... and even more for its wide variety. So try to know which one I fly photographed. And for this I can only ask you who know of this issue. Sundew, gives reason to point muscinae family as possible. But we can all make mistakes. So, I'll edit the title, so that other specialists can resolve the doubt. In any case, I express my thanks to all who give me their opinion and so help me to know that the fly is photographed. And Google, which helps me to do ....I do not speak English ... sorry! Best regards to all Edited by Maherjos on 07-11-2011 17:57 |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 07-11-2011 17:32
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2354 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Larry Shone wrote: Maherjos, i cant see any of your photos! I just see the URL and when i click on view Image i get this: Server not found Firefox can't find the server at www.hispabase.com. Ignore this, my cats had pulled a network cable out!! I hope everything works well and can see my pictures. If not, let me know and I'll inform the webmaster hispabase. I tried many times to attach the images directly, even making them smaller and compressed. But attach the images directly to the messages, I get error. So I have to link them. A greeting |
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| Larry Shone |
Posted on 07-11-2011 18:34
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Member Location: Darlington UK Posts: 187 Joined: 08.05.10 |
Maherjos wrote: I hope everything works well and can see my pictures. If not, let me know and I'll inform the webmaster hispabase. I tried many times to attach the images directly, even making them smaller and compressed. But attach the images directly to the messages, I get error. So I have to link them. A greeting Oh it is fine, it was my end that was faulty ! |
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| nielsyese |
Posted on 07-11-2011 19:06
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 Member Location: Yerseke, NL Posts: 2356 Joined: 13.02.09 |
Stephen R wrote: I don't think this is Muscina. Pehaps Hydrotaea? I think this is Limnophora  |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 07-11-2011 19:25
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2354 Joined: 02.09.09 |
nielsyese wrote: Stephen R wrote: I don't think this is Muscina. Pehaps Hydrotaea? I think this is Limnophora Actually, this is complicated  ..... Hopefully an expert will be able to put light in the darkness. ...But it is true that at a distance, before putting the macro lens, I was confused, thinking it was Limnophora obsignata that in this time abound in the wetland. Thanks and Regards |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 07-11-2011 20:06
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 Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9443 Joined: 24.05.05 |
This fly born some vague impression in my mind. With some species I have seen (1) and with Limnophora (2) and with Canary (3)... Finally I came to conclusion that either I checked my collection or I will think all the next night about this damned fly  Well, it is exactly the female of Limnophora flavitarsis, Stein. This species was described and known from Canary. But I have specimens either from Canary and from S. Turkey. Why not from S. Spain? Now I will sleep calmly and you will spend sleepless night thinking why you hadn't collected the new species for Spanish fauna to be 100% sure 
Edited by Nikita Vikhrev on 07-11-2011 20:35 Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Sundew |
Posted on 07-11-2011 20:29
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Member Location: Berlin and Baden-Württemberg, Germany Posts: 3917 Joined: 28.07.07 |
Ha - Nikita is the greatest! I am not familiar with Limnophora, and the bend of the M1+2 vein reminded me of Muscina - however, I did not say it was a Muscina! At least I was right about the family Muscidae . |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 07-11-2011 20:33
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9443 Joined: 24.05.05 |
1. I forgot to congratulate nielsyese who firstly named it as Limnophora. 2. It is female of L. flavitarsis under the same point of view. Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [95.51Kb] Edited by Nikita Vikhrev on 07-11-2011 20:34 Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 07-11-2011 20:35
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2354 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Nikita Vikhrev wrote: This fly born some vague impression in my mind. With some species I have seen (1) and with Limnophora (2) and with Canary (3)... Finally I came to conclusion that either I checked my collection or I will think all the next night about this damned fly Well, it is exactly the female of Limnophora flavitarsis, Stein. This species was described and known from Canary. But I have specimens eithedr from Canary and from S. Turkey. Why not from S. Spain? Now I will sleep calmly and you will spend sleepless night thinking why you hadn't collected the new species for Spanish fauna to be 100% sure Special thanks to Nikita. This is the first time I've seen in the wetland, but if I find it again, remember missing in your collection ...  Best Regards |
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| Nikita Vikhrev |
Posted on 07-11-2011 20:55
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Member Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 9443 Joined: 24.05.05 |
P.S. male L. flavitarsis is unmistakeable due to modified fore legs Nikita Vikhrev attached the following image:  [129.37Kb] Edited by Nikita Vikhrev on 07-11-2011 20:56 Nikita Vikhrev - Zool Museum of Moscow University |
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| Maherjos |
Posted on 07-11-2011 21:12
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Member Location: Motril (Granada) España Posts: 2354 Joined: 02.09.09 |
Thank you very much, Nikita, for the added information Best Regards |
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