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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 00:44
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 Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2374 Joined: 12.06.09 |
6+mm, Clitheroe UK, 2 June 2011 My first guess is Rhinophoridae, but I wonder about the round curve in the M vein. Otherwise Phyto doesn't look far off, though I don't know about the orange frons. Just newness? I have the specimen. Edited by Stephen R on 08-06-2011 12:22 |
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| Stephane Lebrun |
Posted on 04-06-2011 11:10
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 Member Location: Le Havre, France Posts: 5384 Joined: 03.03.07 |
We have to play without the picture Stephen ? 
Stephane. |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 11:29
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2374 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Oops, sorry! Didn't notice the file was too big - too much background detail. Let's try this:
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 15:23
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2374 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Here's the body:
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 15:24
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2374 Joined: 12.06.09 |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 15:25
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2374 Joined: 12.06.09 |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 15:44
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2374 Joined: 12.06.09 |
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| Zeegers |
Posted on 04-06-2011 17:57
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Member Location: Soest, NL Posts: 7342 Joined: 21.07.04 |
The calyptra is too big for Rhinophoridae. There is some Sarcophagidae with a petiole. Need to look this up (or Liekele beats me to it !) Excellent pictures, by the way Theo |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 04-06-2011 19:27
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2374 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Thanks! |
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| Liekele Sijstermans |
Posted on 08-06-2011 10:59
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Member Location: Geldermalsen Netherlands Posts: 294 Joined: 16.04.05 |
Maybe calyptra look big because of the angle from which the picture is taken. I would not exclude Rhinophoridae from these pictures. I have to exclude Sarcophagidae. Second picture shows tergite VI which is not present in Sarcophaginae, only in Miltogramminae. But in Miltogramminae there aren't any look alikes. However this specimen reminded me immediatly of Phyto discrepans. Therefore I have compared the pictures with my specimens and I do not see any reason why this could not be Phyto discrepans. Several "subspecies" have been described, showing some variability within the species. This specimen seems to lack stripes on thorax, but that could be an artifact in pictures. The tomentosum on the abdomen is more extensive as usual but I have similar specimens from Portugal. Liekele |
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| Stephen R |
Posted on 08-06-2011 12:20
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Member Location: Clitheroe Lancashire UK Posts: 2374 Joined: 12.06.09 |
Many thanks, Lieleke! There are rather faint dusting stripes on the thorax - the third photo (labelled 2  ) represents them fairly accurately, at least on the mesonotum. |
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| oxycera |
Posted on 09-06-2011 21:11
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Member Location: South Yorkshire Posts: 148 Joined: 31.12.09 |
useful post |
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