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 Interesting Lauxaniidae.>Palloptera ustulata/anderssoni
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| blowave |
Posted on 12-10-2010 02:56
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 Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Hello, This landed, ran up the Ivy flower bud and took off again but I got some pics! I think it was around 4mm, at first I thought it was the size of a Tephritid. 10th October, my garden near Lincoln UK 2 pics + 1 crop Janet 
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| blowave |
Posted on 12-10-2010 02:56
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
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| blowave |
Posted on 12-10-2010 02:56
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
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| rvanderweele |
Posted on 12-10-2010 06:33
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Member Location: Zoelmond, the Netherlands Posts: 1984 Joined: 01.11.06 |
Sorry not Lauxaniidae, but Pallopteridae. Palloptera ustulata or P. anderssoni
ruud van der weele rvanderweele@gmail.com |
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| blowave |
Posted on 12-10-2010 14:28
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
rvanderweele wrote: Sorry not Lauxaniidae, but Pallopteridae. Palloptera ustulata or P. anderssoni Thank you Ruud! That would explain why it was an interesting Lauxaniidae!  I can discount P. anderssoni as it is rare and only present in Scotland. http://www.catalo...id=6390966 That makes it Palloptera ustulata. 
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 12-10-2010 22:42
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 Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2125 Joined: 24.07.04 |
I think that's not a very good argument to discount P. anderssoni. I think a lot of material now identified as P. ustulata needs to be checked again to find out if there are no specimens of P. andersoni present among this material. P. andersoni may very well have a much wider distribution than currently known.
Jan Willem van Zuijlen |
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| blowave |
Posted on 13-10-2010 00:10
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
I tend to agree with you Jan, I'm the first person to question distribution. I have checked on the diptera listing here, P. anderssoni has not even been given a status as being in either Britain or Ireland where P. ustulata has. http://www.dipter...p?id=12128 http://www.dipter...p?id=12159 I was waiting for someone to question this, I do know if I had questioned it I would not have been taken seriously! A Google search only brings up a record or records for Scotland. http://www.google...f6582b4550 Can anyone tell me what the difference is between the two? What distinguishing feature does one have that the other does not, or is it a genitalia job? http://cubits.org... |
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| blowave |
Posted on 13-10-2010 00:37
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
The answer is in an old thread here.. http://www.dipter...ad_id=3930 I think mine is a female? I guess it's not possible to tell the difference? http://cubits.org... |
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| Jan Willem |
Posted on 13-10-2010 18:58
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Member Location: Waalwijk, The Netherlands Posts: 2125 Joined: 24.07.04 |
Hello Janet, I see you found your answer already. And personally I would trust only identifications based on the male genitalia. Jan Willem van Zuijlen |
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| blowave |
Posted on 13-10-2010 19:26
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Member Location: LINCOLN, UK Posts: 3151 Joined: 27.06.07 |
Hi Jan, yes, what would we do without this site for reference?! That thread is 4 years old, and the records were in Devon and Cornwall which are about as far south as you can get in the UK. It will have to remain as an either or, shame I can't put it in the gallery or maybe I can as an either or? Such as "Palloptera ustulata/anderssoni" with a brief reasoning which might help others? I think I have seen entries showing two possible names, not sure if that is acceptable though. http://cubits.org... |
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but don't see the image in the post.